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[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (6 children)

It scares the shit out of me. Until mass adoption of the Internet started showing me behind the curtain, America seemed good. Like it felt like the capital city of the world.

I know thats purely because they had Hollywood and exported culture, and like people on social media they only show the good parts, but still. Seeing what it is now either means it was never really good, or the good times are now over. Either way its taken a massive toll on my overall optimism levels.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

means it was never really good,

Yes.

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 7 points 3 days ago

As an American, since I was a teenager, I always thought Canada or the Scandinavian countries would be better places to live (mostly due to cannabis laws and healthcare). I grew up in rural US, so was aware of high levels of bigotry and poverty, but yeah, it seems to be getting worse. Rights have been getting eroded since W (except LGBT rights, until MAGA). The economy, for the working class, has been in decline since I've been alive. We seem to be going through a corpo-fascist self-coup now, so it's definitely worse. In terms of foreign meddling, I don't think much has changed since I've been alive until this Trump term. Disregarding LBGT acceptance, I think the late 90s were peak. Regarding WASP men, I think the 50s may have been the peak. The country was built on genocide and slavery in many uniquely brutal ways, so don't think it was really "great" until the mid 1900s, but not even sure it was comparatively great to other peer countries back then, in anything other than having a large economy and plentiful resources to be exploited.

[–] DNS@discuss.online 3 points 3 days ago

You speak from privilege to think there were good times in America. If you're a minority, you knew that was bullshit. If you knew US History, then everything is a facade.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

What you see online/in news now is a caricature of the worst of America. Normal people here aren't chronically online, or worse, professional influencers, and algorithmic scams/busted parties largely made them delusional voters.

That being said, I'm a U.S. southerner and I have seen some shit you wouldn't believe. Like shit too dramatic for television. Some is finally out in the open.

[–] DNS@discuss.online 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Germans were normal people who turned a blind eye to concentration camps as they continued on with their lives.

Just like how the majority of Americans turn a blind eye to the modern Gestapo rounding up anyone who is brown, and sending them off without due process.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I mean, Americans have turned blind eyes to roiling problems for decades.

What feels different is the curtain is pulled back now, at least for the rest of the world and many folks here, because everything turned into Idiocracy.

Americans may not be doing anything about it, but I also have a lot of family that’s sorta realizing “Oh… Reconstruction failed really hard, didn’t it?” Or “Oh… we’re a surveillance state.” And are looking back on lives and seeing some nasty shit (like bigoted aunts/uncles and worse) for what it was.

[–] survirtual@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I traveled to every state in the US save Alaska, multiple times. I lived in the forests and public lands, sometimes going days or weeks without seeing civilization.

America, the land, is a beautiful and majestic place. It is full of magic and incredible, ancient power.

America, the people occupying the land, is a lie. Most of it is dusty, decrepit, and feels awful. The cities are the epicenter of this horrible feeling.

Some parts of some cities feels pretty good. Large dog parks, for instance, are almost universally good feeling. From New Mexico to Oregon, to Florida and to Pennsylvania, the Dog Parks were where I went to grab some good vibes in larger places. But besides that, I always had a timer before the cities got too awful feeling before I had to retreat back into the public lands.

My recommendation to you is this: connect with those lands. They were there before you and will remain after. They are a gift nearly no American properly taps in to, and it shows. That is where the spirit lives. You have an incredible treasure all around you, connect with it, it is waiting for you. The good times have just begun if you learn to connect with it.

Don't give in to the manufactured fear. The world is much bigger than this, and the universe is so much larger than it, it becomes a joke. You are part of that larger universe.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Into the Wild meets Captain Fantastic?

[–] survirtual@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Just another life among many.

[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 days ago

🤪 I’ve read opium level the first time