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You're looking at that right by the way. THREE freeway ramps!! I walked this last week and it was genuinely terrifying. The first freeway ramp when coming from the bus stop has NO pedestrian lights or signals.

Also those of you with good eyes will notice that there is NO SIDEWALK south of the bus stop. None. If you want to walk south on that particular street (which is 5 lanes btw) then you have to cross the freeway to get to the other side of the road.

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[–] sonori@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Is it bad it i think that this isn’t that bad at all?

I mean it would be nicer if the sidewalk continued on both sides sure, but freeway enterance ramps are typically about as hard for pedestrians to cross as roundabouts given the slow speed you need to take them and single direction of traffic. It looks like there are even marked crossings and a sidewak, so this walk is very much intended. The freeway itself is grade separated and so not a factor in any of this, and while the road is five lanes it’s a arterial road so that’s quite resonable.

[–] Gryzor@lemmyfly.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's really bad. Don't fool yourself. Typical layout of a car-centric design.

[–] sonori@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What would improve it in your view? I mean it’s an artery joining a freeway, there’s going to be cars.

[–] Butterbee@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Putting a bus stop at those businesses on the other side would help.

[–] Schmeckinger@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

At least a small bridge over the multi lane street.

[–] pbjamm@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Proper ped/cycle infrastructure is at grade with cars doing the climbing.

[–] Hillock@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The crossing to the bus stop is a nightmare, there isn't even a crosswalk there. And considering this is near the freeway ramps, I assume that 5 lane road is quite busy. The rest isn't that bad. But that one crossing definitely deserves an on-demand stop light or better yet a pedestrian bridge or underground passage.

[–] Overzeetop@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Are you looking at the same picture? I see a crosswalk from the bus stop side to the median at the nearest on-ramp access, then from that median to the sidewalk under the freeway.

It's clearly a lot of crossing to get to the bus stop, but the problem here is where the bus stops, not the current crossings provided. There are few other ways to provide non-grade access to a multi-lane freeway. I'm not sure of any which would be workable given the proximity of land use which prevents a cloverleaf, and the addition of one would probably make the crossing even more treacherous. If the bus were simply to add a stop on the (photographic) north side of the highway, up near the commercial entrance, that would be the nominal "solution" and require nothing more than a sign.

[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Depends on driver behavior where you live, I think. I have zero confidence in marked pedestrian crossings, and expect everyone to take these kinds of ramps as fast as they possibly can, possibly while texting.

[–] pbjamm@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

As a cyclist/pedestrian always assume that, at best, drivers are indifferent to your well-being.