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The Hamas attacks were barbaric and horrific. Israel giving 1 million+ people 24 hours to leave or risk being destroyed in a bombing campaign while cutting off access to food, water, and fuel is barbaric and horrific. There is such thing as nuance, but it doesn't take very much critical thinking to recognize that both Israel and Hamas are commiting atrocities.
It serves Israel for Hamas to exist. Everything Hamas does leads to the death of Palestinians more than Israelis.
And everything they don't do changes nothing, they're slowly dying and have been for a while now. Their public image changed nothing, and it wasn't about to.
How does it serve Israel for Hamas to exist if it wants to eliminate them?
It wants to eliminate Palestinians, not Hamas. Hamas is the villain they use to justify their genocide.
A WW1 era military could level the Gaza Strip with WW1 era munitions. Arguing that Israel, with a fully modern military and munitions system, is trying to genocide Gazans but just can't for some reason is arguing that Israel's military is the most incompetent military to ever have existed.
The reason they can't just level Gaza is that when the dust clears they need to be seen as the good guys. Think for just one second, even if it hurts.
After an event, proportionally the size of 44 9/11s I think they could get away with anything really.
Israel protects their people, instead of investing everything into trying to destroy the enemy. Hamas even digs out water pipes to build more rockets. As per their own propaganda Video, no less. They are proud of that.
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Everything you know about Hamas you've learned from Israel and the US government.
A counter example: X initiates violence. Y steps in to end this, and partially succeeds. X wants to continue. Y oppresses X to prevent it.
Not saying that resembles the Israel-Hamas conflict, just that the logic is a bit flawed. In most random street violence situations, the oppressed in the end was the person who initiated the violence.
It takes all parties to create peace, but as long as the initial assault continues there can ultimately only be one responsible party.
You can easily find Hamas own videos and learn from them.
They're not even pretending, they outright say they're running a jihadist war against Jews.
You can easily find videos attributed to Hamas. You can't verify that Hamas aren't funded by Israel. You can't verify that Hamas are Palestinian. You also can't blame the oppressed for any actions they take to rebel against their oppressors (If you have any integrity.)
That may be the most historically inaccurate statement I've ever heard.
Like what was the French and Indian war then? This statement could excuse the initiation of violence of any group in history, including the Nazis.
The Indians didn't initiate that war. The French and British did by their colonizing presence.
Indians fought on both sides of that war, often against one another.
To be clear though, there is no war without the British and the French meddling with Indian affairs.
What? The whole reason the nations split they way they did is because they had a long history of war with one another. That's a pretty ignorant assertion.
There can be no split without colonization. It's amazing that you work so hard to be so ignorant.
What? Pre-European Natives fought one another. Warfare predates colonization.
We're talking about a specific scenario, but if you want to move the goalposts, let's do that.
In each and every conflict, there is one party pushing their values or priorities at the cost of others, even in tribal conflicts. The aggressor is the colonizer (oppressor) and the other person is the aggrieved party (oppressed). In each of those conflicts, the oppressor is responsible for every atrocity that is committed because in their absence, there is NO CONFLICT.
That's such a simplification of human interaction that I'm not sure there's a single conflict I'm human history that fully fits that definition.
There's not a single conflict in human history that doesn't fit that description.
I learned it from Hamas propaganda Videos. Those they produce and make public. Like that one showing them removing water pipes to build more rockets.
You don't know that those videos weren't created by the IDF as propaganda. You don't know that Hamas isn't entirely made up of IDF. You only know the narrative that reinforces your world view. Israel loves to do things like bomb residential areas then cry that Hamas uses human shields. They love to respond to fireworks with carpet bombs.
So wild conspiracy theories are the new talking point, bizarre
Guess anything that goes against your opinion is staged propaganda/ai so we can jam our heads in the sand
It's no conspiracy to quote fascists' own words and actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Ben-Gurion_letter
You attacked one questionable piece of evidence while looking at another equally evil quote and accurate statistics. You lack integrity.
So, why does Palestine still house and hold a high opinion over Hamas? A terrorist group just lives over there in Gaza Strip and Palestine doesn't lift a finger to get rid of them.
Give people better options if you want them to make better choices.
Why did Israeli police do nothing to stop the increasing violence perpetrated by illegal Israeli Settlers attacking Palestinians, of which Palestinian police are forbidden to react to? Their cops aren't allowed to do anything, their illegal occupants cops won't do anything, and the majority of Israeli Jews say they dont want Palestinians to have the right to vote if they annex Gaza. A minority of Israelis support a two state solution.
It's not like Israel has been trying to play ball with them.
They're in an open-air prison. They don't house anybody.
Why are there still Kahanites in Israel's government?
Also, get rid of Hamas with what. Are you going to give them weapons to do it?
I don't know if you noticed but it's been more than 24 hours since they said that and they're still letting them evacuate. Time to retire that talking point.
Sure. Except "letting them evacuate" in this case is better characterized as "continuing to expel them from their homes under threat of violence." I'm not arguing the 24 hour time period is the atrocity, I'm arguing the act of creating a humanitarian crisis under the auspices of a military campaign effort is abhorrent.
It's not like we don't have any good reporting on the matter either. The BBC for example has already been attacked because they refused to declare Hamas as terrorists (a label I agree with, for the record). [This article](BBC News - Khan Younis: A Gaza city on its knees, now with a million mouths to feed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67116403) provides some insight into the absolute horror regular Palestinians are going through right now.
When Israel declared war, what do you think that meant exactly?
It meant they're gonna finish their 60 year genocide, duh.