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Disagree, federating with meta will kill the fedi. It will put all power in big tech.
How it will kill Fedi? Many people here are against big corporations so they will never quit Lemmy instance to move to Threads. But connecting to Threads will bring many new users. We can teach them the great power of Fediverse. We can communicate with each other despite having data on separate servers and anybody can choose an instance that is closer to their beliefs and opinions.
Same how google killed xmpp, how big tech killed email. Meta and big tech are just too powerful and they can destroy, takeover fedi with resources they have.
Last time I checked XMPP and e-mails are working just fine. I don't know what you mean. How exactly Meta will kill Fedi?
With xmpp you could chat with people on messenger just by having xmpp account somewhere else. Now you cannot. And no email is not working just fine, self hosting email is hard now beacuse you are getting blocked if you are using big tech servers.
XMPP has it's own problems, not really pleasant user experience etc. But yes, facebook first embraced it the cut you off anyone you had on messenger.
If this happens, meta will takeover fedi.
I really don't understand this. We want to block them now, because they will block us later and this will kill Fediverse. I don't see a point really. Wouldn't blocking them kill Fedi even faster? As far as I know, Lemmy is slowly losing it's users. Letting them in will only strengthen Fediverse.
Now, fedi then develops in autonomus manner, as much as possible. There are problems with centralization on fedi even now without meta.
Letting them in will only help meta EEE(embrace, extened, extinguish) it.
Which still doesn't mean fedi should cooperate with meta or any other big tech, I dare to say not even with any company.
Facebook / meta has too much history of abuse. OTOH I don't think it's necessary to fully defederate, but setting a server defaults per-account to filter their instance would reduce their influence and risk of abuse while still allowing people to opt in to connecting to them
This is not cooperation, this is take over by meta. So far I see most fedi users are aganist federation with meta, I'm glad that's the case.
Same story as XMPP
Expecting the kiddies to actually learn from the past is too much. Because human beings in general don't learn well from the past.