the application requirement exists for a reason: many communities only want certain kind of people in their server, if you're not a match, and you know it, then why bother even trying or complaining about it? find another one that's your match because you aren't their match either.

[–] foopo666@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Don't think anyone was confused about how to exercise free will. The criticism is on needing/having the process. Everyone understands why is exists. Some just think it's a poor reason.

[–] god@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah. I don't know how to argue for it. It seems obvious to me that some communities have standards to keep and an open borders policy is an automatic way of not keeping those standards.

[–] bazongo@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are servers with "open borders" that require lengthy essays. Your reasoning is irrelivant

[–] god@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

that's not "open borders", that's equivalent to a visa request that will very likely be denied if the border agent decides he doesn't like it, so my reasoning stands

[–] bazongo@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago

I'm sorry but your reasoning is flawed in so many other ways that confronting all o the issues would require writing an essay which I have already involuntarliy started thanks to your complete idiocy. To start with: essays can easily be fabricated or automatically generated. There is no guarantee of any kind that a person is a ceirtan way because he sent some text over the internet assuring anyone of those qualities. There is no way to trust any server unless it's invite only where people only invite friends they know can be trusted. If that's how lemmy will end up then it will never be able to replace reddit. Having to interact with lunatics like you make me realize that lemmy is sure to die

[–] bazongo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lemmy is worthless without users. We need people to switch from reddit to lemmy. If you get new users to belive that lemmy is not like reddit, they won't switch. Making you write an essay to join a server will get the average person thinking that joining a server is a big deal and mak the conclusion that lemmy will be fragmented and not like reddit and promptly quit making an account on any server. You seem to have a lot of faith in people being willing to understand how lemmy works but the average person will not be idealistic and only check to see if it can be a replacement for reddit. Your mindset is activley killing lemmy and I want lemmy to grow. Your asshole attitude isn't helping you make your point either.

[–] god@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Generic users should at first join a recommended server. Those don't require essays. If they wanna join some niche server that has "high standards" in one way or another, then they shouldn't expect the same requirements.

If you wanna promote lemmy, suggest ppl join any of the recommended servers that don't require essays. I see no incompatibility with mass adoption (what you propose) and some servers not allowing everyone to join. Just promote the ones that do allow everyone to join and don't promote any list of servers that puts the essay-requiring ones at the top cuz, as you say, that will obviously make it so very few people join.

I personally joined https://sh.itjust.works because it's basically open borders and doesn't require absolutely anything, not even an e-mail address. I just tapped a name and a password clicked registered and I was in. Promote shit like this instead of the picky ones. I don't see what's so hard about just giving the right links to ppl.