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Alternative_Pear_538 at 2024-03-16 23:08:07+00:00 ID:
kv7eh52You can say you don't want to, and you will have to do some other work for the same time ("militærnægtertjeneste"). The lottery exists as they don't have unlimited space, so even if you do want to go they can't take everybody.
The proposed policy doesn't change this, but of course, the amount of available spaces could easily be altered without any necessary policy changes, making the lottery a guarantee of a spot, if they wanted to do so.
Also, there's no doubt in my mind that they will soon remove the ability to refuse, as they are clearly aiming to get as many soldiers as possible. But that is not part of the current change.
comments83820 (OP) at 2024-03-16 23:24:08+00:00 ID:
kv7guaeBy "remove the ability to refuse," do you mean remove the ability to do civil service as an alternative to military training?
Crazy_Recover_9649 at 2024-03-17 02:12:46+00:00 ID:
kv85773If you pull a low number, it means you (most likely) have to do the military service. You can refuse to do so, you have to apply to be "militærnægter" less than 8 weeks after the day of the lottery. The form is on the site of the link below. Afterwards you'll have to choose where you want to do your civil service. There's a list of organisations where you can do your service. All in all, they can't force you to do military service, but you have to do some sort of service for the community.
You can read all about it right here:
https://karriere.forsvaret.dk/varnepligt/varnepligten/militaernaegter/
comments83820 (OP) at 2024-03-17 02:20:20+00:00 ID:
kv8691mthanks!
i'm not Danish -- and sadly an old millennial now anyway -- but was just curious how this all worked in Denmark.
are the people forced to do it annoyed? i'd imagine it's a little annoying to be forced to do it when like 99% of the people are volunteering and just a handful of people are conscripted? or young people don't really care?
Crazy_Recover_9649 at 2024-03-17 02:36:56+00:00 ID:
kv88jmjA lot of people don't even get qualified for military service due to their physique, spelling/writing capabilities etc.
I would imagine a person who doesn't want to do it would get annoyed if they had to waste months of their lives on something they hate, but you COULD (although I don't encourage it) always cheat on your tests to make you seem bad at math or grammar. Not sure if it's illegal or not to do so, but they would have a pretty hard time exposing you for faking your intelligence level.
comments83820 (OP) at 2024-03-17 02:59:52+00:00 ID:
kv8bo69Thanks. I'm not Danish, but was just curious how this all works.
Peter34cph at 2024-03-17 08:20:43+00:00 ID:
kv96y7vI've heard rumours that if you score very low on the Børge Priehn intelligence test, then it goes on your medical record, and will bar you from things such as applying for a driver's license.
I don't know if those rumours are true, but it would be a good deterrent against people deliberately trying to flunk that test.
comments83820 (OP) at 2024-03-16 23:17:11+00:00 ID:
kv7ftbaI'm a little confused. If there's a lottery, because there's more demand than supply for military training, why would anyone have to express a desire to do alternative service? Wouldn't the people who don't want to serve just not participate in the lottery? Or I'm missing something?
MightBeWrongThough at 2024-03-17 00:39:37+00:00 ID:
kv7rzc0As it is now, when men become 18 they are summoned to go to a military facility, where you have to do some tests to see if you're eligible, both a physical examination and a mental one like an IQ test kinda thing, this is also a huge source of data on the male population. After all these tests you are either deemed eligible or not, if you're eligible you will pick a number in the lottery and depending on the number you either are forced to join or not, 99% join voluntarily. I don't know why they do the lottery, or if the drafted can get out of service in some way, they can avoid military service by going to "beredskabet" which is like special emergency services, for stuff like fires or floods.
Also if you are drafted you can postpone you're service if you are studying.
Correct_Cobbler_4013 at 2024-03-17 00:31:58+00:00 ID:
kv7qupjYou cannot opt out of the "lottery".