Serious accusation? Please. Trump does six financial crimes worse than this one every morning before his breakfast burger. All we're saying is we can see the grift.

[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just because he does worse things all the time doesn't mean this isn't serious. Don't let him move the goalpost like that. But also maybe have some actual evidence instead of just paranoid conspiracy theories. That's their thing. We need to be better than them.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Again I guess I haven't explained properly.

I am not accusing him of a specific crime.

I am saying: look, he's selling bibles, which will allow terrible churches to support his cause without falling foul of campaign finance law.

There's no evidence because technically there's no crime. He's just found a new way to rip the system off.

Also: I don't have access to Trump's Bible sale records. Never will. Nor will you Does that mean we shouldn't say anything about the fact that he's cheating the electoral system? That right-wing churches can advance their power grabs without fear of prosecution? Even if it's not illegal it's unjust and dangerous.

[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Look, campaign finance in the United States is absolute bullshit. Chances are that anyone dumb enough to buy an overpriced Trump branded bible could already legally just give him the money though.

Yes. He is a con-man and a grifter. We all know that here. Trying to pretend this is money laundering when the money doesn't even need to be laundered just makes you seem like a crazy person though. I would like for us to all stay in touch with reality. Election finance reform would be great. Wild criminal accusations based on nothing but vibes won't help that happen though.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Trying to pretend this is money laundering

Ugghhhh. "It's a form of money laundering" does not mean "We can accuse Trump of formal criminal money laundering as defined by the law." We're saying the cunt is making it easy for bad churches to funnel him money. That is still bad, criminal or not.

Wild criminal accusations based on nothing but vibes

Do you read my replies? Again, we are not making criminal accusations. And it's not "vibes": We can see the man hawking bibles to free up his own money for campaign funds. It's so obvious what he's doing, that he's put out a phoney disclaimer not-quite saying he isn't.

[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So your argument is that he's money laundering because money laundering doesn't mean money laundering.

Okay. This conversation was a mistake.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes. Words have different meanings in different contexts.

This conversation was a mistake.

We got there eventually. Here I'll do you a favour: Blocked.

[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Cool. Guess you won't be able to reply when I tell you that I'm sorry I mistakenly believed you might be reasoned with. The idea that somehow "money laundering" actually means openly selling things to suckers totally legally is just an obvious lie because you don't want to admit you were wrong. You'll never get to hear that though.