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Why is Matrix mentioned more often than XMPP in self hosted forums? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 10 months ago by cyclohexane@lemmy.ml to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world

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I'm looking into hosting one of these for the first time. From my limited research, XMPP seems to win in every way, which makes me think I must be missing something. Matrix is almost always mentioned as the de-facto standard, but I rarely saw arguments why it is better than XMPP?

Xmpp seems way easier to host, requiring less resources, has many more options for clients, and is simpler and thus easier to manage and reason about when something goes wrong.

So what's the deal?

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Many people have not used XMPP in years or never and go by hearsay of outdated information.

Matrix on the other hand had several million Euros of venture-capital to fund a marketing campaign.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

This makes matrix even less attractive to me lol. But you're right, that's a very good point.

[–] oldfart@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thos, exactly this. Whenever I ask the question OP asked, it's always some people who used some ancient client in 2008 and never bothered to try again. And then Matrix came to existence with their marketing and they happily started using it, even though it didn't have any better features

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 1 points 10 months ago

it’s always some people who used some ancient client in 2008 and never bothered to try again.

The biggest hurdle for widespread adoption of open platforms, imo.

[–] monk@lemmy.unboiled.info 1 points 3 months ago

Holy shit, that explains how this piece of embarrassment has conned actual people into using it.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

several million Euros of venture-capital to fund a marketing campaign.

Citation needed. Matrix was funded by Amdocs initially, then got investment from Automattic and has gotten some contracts from European Governments, but AFAIK there is no "VC investment" and there certainly aren't "millions to fund marketing".

They do have better marketing than any XMPP developer, though. You basically don't hear anything from process.one or the Prosody devs.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 months ago

As unpopular as VC funding is in some circles, the Matrix community owes a huge debt of thanks to Element’s investors (Status, Notion, firstminute, Dawn, Automattic, Protocol Labs and Metaplanet) and Amdocs for funding over $50M of work on both Matrix and Element since 2017.

Strait from their blog.