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Fucking Hell. Like the Nazis burning their Records.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 248 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

JFC...

"Hold on guys, we need to hold up on doing our Totally Legit and Properly Legal thing until we can get on a comms system that is properly hidden from all investigation..."

MAGA: YEAH! THE GOOD GUYS WON!

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 124 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Their conception of morality is exactly backwards.

They first consider if the person aligns with their in-group. If so, then whatever they do (so long as it doesn't directly have a negative impact on themselves) is by nature good.

Obversely, if a person is a member of a group that is not aligned with their tribe then any action taken is inherently wicked and detrimental to society.

They don't judge morality by the action, they judge it by the actor.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's literally how Nazis operate

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes, it's common to all flavors of reactionary ideology.

Which is why it's so rich for conservatives to pretend to hate "identity politics." It's literally all they have.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Don't worry though, if they have a falling out with the in group they were always bad and this has zero weight on your past present or future judgement.

[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Swamp status: Drained™

Drain the Swamp™ is a trademark of Trump LLC and does not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Trump or president Musk

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

They drained it, then dredged the sludge off the bottom and used it to fill government positions. Again.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

MAGA is another way of saying "brainless zombie".

Those people could not find their own ass with two hands and a flashlight.

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[–] subignition@fedia.io 145 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

we shouldn't have records systems not subject to FOIA

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 95 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

We shouldn't have a majority of voters in the U.S choosing a Nazi, but here we are.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Plurality* the majority of registered voters did not vote, voted for harris, or voted 3rd party.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Not voting and voting 3rd party is support for Donald, but whatever makes you sleep better at night

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

Practically speaking, they let Trump win. But that doesn't mean they actually like Trump or approve of what he's doing. Imagining that everyone who didn't vote for Harris is a die-hard Trumper just leads to despair, which benefits Trump.

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[–] reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 weeks ago

Those enabling a nazi, are by association also nazis. People need to stop referring to this administration as separate. They are also pushing the agenda, so they are also nazis.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

We should, but only for private citizens. Anything government related should be done in public.

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[–] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 126 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If Elon Musk is a government official it means you can sue him personally if you got banned from Twitter for violating your first ammendment rights to free speech.

Same with Trump and Truth social.

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 54 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's cute. You think the constitution still matters.

[–] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago

I apologize. He blocked my business from posting.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

First amendment has failed time to work down the list and find any constitutional checks and balances that could help.

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[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 85 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

How exactly is there such a thing as a records system not subject to FOIA?

[–] Uli@sopuli.xyz 48 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The article says that the administration seems to be claiming the executive order where they changed the name of United States Digital Service to United States DOGE Service allows them to make the sweeping changes they are making. This is of course ludicrously beyond the pale when it comes to data security violations involved in taking control of data managed by other agencies and getting involved in their staffing. It's a smokescreen for autocracy.

The claim in this particular instance is that they are saying the executive order redefined the reporting structure of the department. Where previously they reported to the Office of Management and Budget, where everything is subject to FOIA requests in the short term, they claim their USDS reports to the White House Chief of Staff and therefore is shielded from FOIA during the current administration. We can theoretically get the data later (I'm sure they'll be very responsible with chain of custody on such important data 🙄) but it will be 4 years later, when no one cares because we're in the trenches dealing with the long term consequences of what's happening right now. So, it is subject to FOIA, yes. But they're making up stories and betting the courts won't dare to challenge them.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

But they're making up stories and betting the courts won't dare to challenge them.

No, it's worse than that. They know the Supreme Court will rule on their side no matter how ludicrous the reasoning is. See: the Dobbs decision.

[–] DrPop@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

The fact that they are moving so quickly tells you they don't think what they are doing is legal.

[–] Reasonable_Guy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Pen, paper, a trash can, and a lighter

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Even paper records are supposed to be saved.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Am I nuts or during his first term wasn’t there a story about Trump literally eating a piece of paper after he read it??

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

He did that shit regularly. Also tore them into bits, and aides would pick them up and try to tape them back together.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

He probably thought it was a very flat hamberder.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 83 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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[–] regrub@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Maybe his yes-men will start using Discord instead lol.

Better question: why aren't they using X, the thing that Elon is advertising as the Everything App?

[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Reminds me of the dorkwad who leaked military(?) secrets to his friends on discord a couple years ago. I think he was about their age at the time too, which tracks.

[–] Cavemanfreak@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago

On the Warthunder forums there are regular leaks of military secrets, like fighter jet schematics, specs and such just to win arguments. People are fucking stupid.

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because he wants everyone else's data on it so that he can exploit it. He doesn't care about the data of his own people - he doesn't even want it recorded.

[–] regrub@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Or because they know it's not secure or reliable enough for their hostile takeover. Not like Slack is any better though

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

BuT hEr EmAiLS

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I was thinking this earlier: can't we just bombard DOGE/executive branch with FOIA requests?

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And when they ignore them?

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

All goverment records are subject to FOIA by default. It's an opt-out system.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They shouldn't be able to opt out.

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No need to burn records when so many have simply accepted their content being removed from visibility without reason or accountability in this day in age.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Well if the Republican packed courts get to decide it will probably stand. Even though it is total bullshit.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Slack is extremely insecure. I can't believe they were using it to begin with

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