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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 31 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

That would be very unkind to the cactus.

Rusty rebar seems like the way to go here, tbh.

[–] cowfodder@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago
[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 22 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

You can take the "potential" out of the title. Mark my words, Trump will rescind all support.

And I give it two weeks, maximum, until the US officially pulls out of NATO. I say "officially" because let's face it, do you think Trump would honor his NATO obligations if Russia were to attack, say, Lativia? Nope. It would be more something something not thanking him enough all over again. NATO, or at least the US membership in it, is dead.

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

If he tried, it would at the very least cause a constitutional crisis. Not to say that means much anymore, but it's a thread I'm willing to hang onto.

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-would-happen-us-leaves-nato-trump-2025-1

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

In reality, this means nothing. Trump can simply essentially "quiet quit" NATO by simply ignoring it. Don't go through the formal process of pulling out of it if doing so is going to be too much of a headache. But when the hypothetical situation of Russia invading Lativia becomes reality, Trump could simply respond to his Article V committments by not sending troops. As he is commander-in-chief of our armed forces, this would be well within his rights to do and would have the practical effect of pulling out of NATO without going through the political process of pulling out of NATO.

Sure, we'd still technically be a part of NATO, in the same way that I'm still technically a member of the Catholic church even though I haven't set foot in a church in about 35 years. I didn't formally withdraw to avoid family squabbles. I just stopped going. They got the hint eventually. Same thing would apply here.

[–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

Can't just give up and leave. Gotta hang onto that sweet, sweet veto power. We'll get evicted from NATO.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

And how long until direct military support of Russia?

[–] PapaSkwat@lemy.lol 9 points 19 hours ago

What a greedy heartless fuck

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago

Republicans have to do what Russia wants.

Not that hard to see the pattern. If it benefits Russia. Republicans will do it.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world -2 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Except he doesn't decide these things, and these budgets were almost unanimously approved by Congress.

[–] ExtremeDullard@sopuli.xyz 17 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Except he doesn't give a fuck. Haven't you noticed?

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago

About that thing he got impeached for ...

Not that I disagree with you but shits fucked more now than then, and nothing happened to him then

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world -5 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Have you not noticed they're being ruined in the courts and obeying the rulings?

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

They're not obeying the rulings. They're ignoring them. Multiple judges have had to reissue orders demanding compliance. But of course, since they refuse to actually attach consequences to those orders, they're little more than the legalese equivalent of asking pretty please.

Look at it this way. Look at all the rulings saying the mass firings were all illegal. And while some of them were re-hired because Musk has no idea what he's doing, none of them have actually been re-hired as a result of court orders and the firings keep continuing.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world -5 points 18 hours ago

I think you need to read more.

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

It doesn't matter: they did terminal damage faster than the courts could react.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 4 points 19 hours ago

And it's a way to put the judges that give pushback.

[–] SoupBrick@pawb.social 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Are they being ruined in the courts? I haven't seen any recent updates on this situation, but so far I am tracking that the admin has basically ignored the unfreeze ruling.

https://www.nonprofitpro.com/article/supreme-court-steps-into-trump-administration-battle-on-usaid-funding-freeze/

Due to similarities, both cases were assigned to U.S. District Judge Amir H. Ali, who issued a temporary restraining order against the USAID funding freeze on Feb. 13. Despite that order, the Trump administration, in a Feb. 18 filing, admitted it had circumvented the court’s order.

Here is a more recent article on this: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/i-cant-get-a-straight-answer-from-you-judge-loses-patience-with-trump-admin-lawyer-for-repeatedly-ignoring-court-order-unfreezing-usaid-funds-issues-harsh-evidentiary-demands/

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

Congress controls everything else Trump has ended without opposition so far too, but that didn't stop him.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Except he doesn’t decide these things, and these budgets were almost unanimously approved by Congress.

He does now, and Congress is letting him. They have done exactly nothing to try to rein him in, and in fact have offered support for his EOs. Many have openly come out in favor of rescinding Ukraine support since Trump ambushed Zelensky on Friday.

When there's pushback from either Congress or the judicial system that actually matters, then we'll talk. But right now, all three branches are actively complicit.