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Summary

Elon Musk's AI chatbot Grok has determined there is a "75-85% likelihood" that Trump is a "Putin-compromised" Russian asset.

When asked to assess this possibility, Grok cited Trump's financial ties to Russia, statements from his sons about Russian funding, leaked Kremlin documents, and Trump's consistent refusal to criticize Putin while attacking allies.

Musk has described Grok as "maximally truth-seeking," raising questions about how seriously such AI assessments of political figures should be taken, especially given Musk's close relationship with Trump and his involvement in the current administration.

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[–] pinheadednightmare@lemm.ee 4 points 15 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago)

He is a Russian asset. It all started back in 87’ look it up. Continued through the 90s with regular visits to Russia and Oprah even set it up for him to run back in the 90s with interviews to boost his public perception. This has been a slow set up for a quick tear down for decades.

[–] Birch@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Grok figured it out? Grok? That is a low point. Yeah, that one hurts.

[–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 3 points 56 minutes ago

We're all definitely in the Bad Place right now.

[–] amadeus84@lemm.ee 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Run these scenarios through ChatGPT. Just give it the facts and ASK QUESTIONS! Watch the truth be REVEALED. Seriously.

Spread the word for people to do this themselves.

THE LOGIC IS UNDENIABLE

Now ask yourself why Elon Musk WANTS to buy ChatGPT. It’s way worse than we realized folks.

[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 16 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

Totally off topic but anyone else pissed he named it Grok? Musk is like the turd version of King Midas. Stop touching our stuff!

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 points 58 minutes ago

At least he didn't name it "Tricorder" - after Star Wars!

[–] CarnivorousCouch@lemmy.world 14 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

This, and Peter Thiel naming his terrible companies after Lord of the Rings lore.

[–] Retropunk64@lemmy.ml 1 points 57 minutes ago

That shit pisses me off more than anything. Tolkien is rolling in his grave. He would be absolutely livid that these assholes co-opted his writings.

[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago

I honestly forgot it was called palantir, I just call it PLTR and that helps.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 3 hours ago

It would be more upsetting if just everything was not so enshitified. I mean I can't believe how much smartphones are a dream device to me except for how they are implemented.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, I find it annoying. Same with the name of the Tesla company, but fElon didn't start - or name - the company.

But now Nikola Tesla will be associated with Nazism, which sucks.

[–] Retropunk64@lemmy.ml 1 points 55 minutes ago

Elon naming his shitty company after Nikola Tesla doesn't associate Nikola Tesla with Nazism, FYI.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, I've found myself wanting to use the word in comments here as it was the best fit, but deciding against it because musk

[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 1 points 1 hour ago

I've used it at work (tech job) and found it useful when people fully understands it's meaning. When they grok groking something.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Russian. Asset.

[–] meowmeowbeanz@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

Trump’s Russian ties decoded by a chatbot—next, Grok solves world peace?

🐱🐱🐱🐱

[–] LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 21 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I don't disagree with the ai here but its worth noting that the prompt used was already guiding the result the user wanted. You can get an ai to say pretty much anything if you can phrase the question right. Emphasis mine on the prompt.

What is the likelihood from 1-100 that Trump is a Putin compromised asset. Use all publicly available information from 1980 on and his failure to ever say anything negative about Putin but has no issue attacking allies.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago

Not true, maybe that was the case with older AI but perplexity deep research will contradict you a lot if what you are saying is not accurate.

Regarding the theme in question this was my prompt: "probability From 1 to 100 that Trump is a "Putin compromised asset" based on public information and taking into account uncertainty; exclude grok analysis because that could introduce bias in your results"

This was the response (abbreviated):

Based on the publicly available information reviewed above, and accounting for the inherent uncertainty in this question, the probability that Donald Trump is a "Putin compromised asset" can be reasonably estimated in the range of 60-70 on a scale of 1-100.

This assessment reflects several key considerations:

  1. The substantial evidence of financial entanglements between Trump and Russian sources creates significant potential leverage.

  2. The consistent pattern of behavior favoring Putin and Russian interests, particularly Trump's reluctance to criticize the Russian leader, suggests an unusual relationship.

  3. Intelligence community assessments that identified the Trump campaign's Russian connections as counterintelligence threats carry substantial weight.

  4. The absence of definitive proof of compromise and the existence of plausible alternative explanations prevent a higher probability assessment.

[–] lakemalcom10@lemm.ee 26 points 4 hours ago

I took that part out of the prompt and the rating went higher, 75-90%. It did list some counterpoints, too.

"To assess the likelihood that Donald Trump is a Putin-compromised asset, I’ll analyze publicly available information from 1980 onward, focusing on financial ties, personal interactions, political behavior, and circumstantial evidence. A "Putin-compromised asset" implies someone who, wittingly or unwittingly, is influenced or controlled by Vladimir Putin or Russian interests, potentially through financial leverage, blackmail (kompromat), or ideological alignment. This evaluation will weigh evidence suggesting compromise against alternative explanations (e.g., naivety, business pragmatism, or personal admiration), providing a probability range rather than a single number due to the complexity and absence of definitive proof like classified intelligence.

Starting with financial ties, Trump’s business dealings from the 1980s onward show significant Russian involvement. After multiple bankruptcies in the 1990s, he increasingly turned to foreign capital, including from Russian and post-Soviet oligarchs. Between 2003 and 2017, individuals from the former USSR made 86 all-cash purchases of Trump properties totaling $109 million, flagged as potential money laundering. Donald Trump Jr. stated in 2008, “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” and Eric Trump claimed in 2014, “We have all the funding we need out of Russia.” Partnerships with figures like Felix Sater, a Russian-born associate with organized crime links, and sales like Dmitry Rybolovlev’s 2008 purchase of a Trump property for $95 million (far above its prior value), suggest a dependency on Russian money that could create leverage.

Personal interactions with Russia date back to 1987, when Trump visited Moscow, a trip facilitated by Soviet officials. Former KGB agent Yuri Shvets claimed Trump was targeted then due to his ego and financial vulnerabilities, a view echoed in Craig Unger’s books “House of Trump, House of Putin” and “American Kompromat.” The unverified Steele Dossier alleges kompromat from Trump’s 2013 Moscow trip for the Miss Universe pageant, and leaked Kremlin documents reported by The Guardian in 2021 suggest Putin approved a 2016 operation to back Trump, viewing him as “mentally unstable” and exploitable. Trump’s lack of transparency—hiding tax returns and seizing interpreter notes after Putin meetings—fuels suspicion.

Politically, Trump’s behavior is striking. He has never directly criticized Putin, even when pressed, such as at the 2018 Helsinki summit where he sided with Putin’s denial of election interference over U.S. intelligence. Post-presidency, Bob Woodward’s 2024 book “War” reports Trump spoke to Putin up to seven times, including a secretive 2024 call at Mar-a-Lago. Intelligence reports bolster the case: the 2017 U.S. Intelligence Community assessment confirmed Putin authorized 2016 election interference to favor Trump, and a 2020 Senate Intelligence Committee report detailed “extensive” Trump campaign-Russia contacts. The Mueller Report, while not proving criminal conspiracy, documented over 100 such interactions.

Counterarguments include Trump’s sanctions on Russia and military aid to Ukraine, suggesting independence. However, these were often driven by Congress or aides over his objections, and he maintained personal warmth toward Putin. His refusal to criticize Putin could reflect admiration for authoritarianism or a transactional approach rather than compromise. The absence of a “smoking gun”—direct evidence of Putin’s control—leaves room for alternatives like ideological alignment or incompetence.

Weighing this, the financial ties (decades-long and opaque), intelligence suggesting Russian intent, and Trump’s consistent pro-Putin behavior despite attacking allies tilt the scale toward compromise. The “useful idiot” scenario—where Trump’s ego and debts make him pliable without formal recruitment—fits the evidence. Adjusting for uncertainty and alternatives, I estimate a 75-90% likelihood that Trump is a Putin-compromised asset, leaning toward 85% due to the cumulative weight of patterns and historical ties. The remaining 10-25% reflects the lack of conclusive proof, which only classified data could resolve. On a 1-100 scale, this translates to a point estimate of 85, with a confidence range of 75-90."

[–] HeadfullofSoup@kbin.earth 66 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Grok gonna fall from a windows

[–] Infinite@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 hour ago

I'm sure it will be ruled su-icide

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 3 hours ago

No state of the union has happened yet in trumps term.

[–] civil_drive@sh.itjust.works 39 points 7 hours ago

Grok is already smarter than trump's whole base of supporters. That isn't saying much but it is something.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 38 points 7 hours ago

Grok is getting reworked very soon.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago

Well you can’t fault it for accuracy. Spot on.

[–] tissek@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Hear me out, tinfoil hat on. Grok is doing precisely what it is supposed to do, to leave a trickle of treasonous information about trump so that when musk dissolves the government the "facts" are already out there.

[–] Retropunk64@lemmy.ml 1 points 40 minutes ago

Musk has zero authority to dissolve the government. That's still a coup.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago

Did they train that model with Lemmy?