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Summary

Former vice presidential nominee Tim Walz criticized Trump for economic chaos while taking personal responsibility for the situation during an MSNBC interview.

"We wouldn't be in this mess if we'd have won the election — and we didn't," Walz told Chris Hayes. He called Trump the "worst possible business executive" and praised the Wall Street Journal's editorial criticizing Trump's tariff war.

Walz emphasized Democrats must offer something better, not just criticize Trump. Recently, he acknowledged a leadership void in the Democratic Party and admitted spending too much time combatting Trump's false claims about immigrants.

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[–] KulunkelBoom@lemm.ee 19 points 5 hours ago

I disagree Mr. Walz. Had Biden not sat on his hands after being given the power of god by the supreme court - we wouldn't be in this mess today.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

No, we'd be "GAmBlIng wItH wOrLd waR THree!"

[–] terribletzar@lemmy.ca 15 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This headline is trash. He's saying we wouldn't be in this mess if they'd won. The headline makes it sound like he's taking much more blame than his actual quote implies.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I read it as “we didn’t win because we didn’t try hard enough.”

He states pretty clearly that democrats need to offer more than just not being another person.

[–] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

It's unfortunate because he was definitely not the problem.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 2 points 23 minutes ago* (last edited 20 minutes ago)

Absolutely. Harris didn’t do a single thing to show she was any different than a piece of paper with talking points on it. She did nothing to inspire anyone of anything.

On their other hand, when Tim Walz spoke, I was fucking screaming in my parent’s basement critical support to him. lmfao He fucking got me going, I would have rallied behind that dude.

But no, no progress, only centrist democratic bullshit as the entire country gets pulled out from under us

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

When they sidelined him and started campaigning with the Cheneys, any blame was taken off of him.

[–] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

They muzzled him despite the fact that calling Republicans "weird" was working.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 38 points 8 hours ago

Props to him for taking ownership of it. It means a lot even if it isn't fully his fault.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

Imagine Trump, or any other billionaire, saying something like this. Can't do it? Me neither.

[–] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 51 points 16 hours ago (7 children)

Not you walz but the Democratic party. Send out 19 billion to Israel while our kids were hungry in school.

[–] peterpan520@feddit.org 24 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Thank God Trump won, because now we get... checks notes... Mar-a-Gaza!?

[–] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Like as if Biden did not find Israel. 19 billion dollar of our money As a Democrat, I expected Biden to do better. We already know trump is crap. One worse does not make another one good. Both parties are bad. United States is doomed with just two parties. I don't want any of these two parties. What's you take?

If you want to win my vote and many others, know your base well democrats. We are not here to elect the least worse, we are here to elect the best out there for this nation. And don't come btching here because u guys literally are the one that said our vote does not count before the election. may be it suddenly does? See ya in 2028. Hope u learn some lesson.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 10 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

So it seems like it's going to come down between Gavin The Transphobe and Tim Walz for 2028, and honestly Tim Walz is who I learn more towards, dude feels like a second coming of Bernie.

Meanwhile Gavin started out in 2025 being the strong man who stared Trump down, but he not only folded, he sold out transpeople.

Anyone who carries water for the "Transpeople are crazy and giving them basic human rights is going too far" is a danger to us all

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 51 minutes ago

The guy Democrats want to run for President..

Problem he is a transphobic piece of shit who sucks the toes of Charlie Kirk

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

i want walz and aoc in 2028

we don't blame you tim we love you ❤️

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago

I don't love him, I don't even know the guy and politicians are generally horrible enough people to give me pause.

He DID seem to have the only decent angle of attack with the "weird" stuff so that looks good at least.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

DNC will never let it happen.

[–] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 39 points 18 hours ago (12 children)

It's so obvious the democratic party lied about Biden to get through the nomination phase and used the fact that the money already donated for the campaign was specifically to Biden or Harris and would not have easily been given over to any other new candidate. You do have to wonder, especially after how Trump was greeted by them, just what actually happened here. The fact is that the truth about Bidens condition should have been known, he should have decided not to run, and the Democratic party should've had a real primary for real candidates and new ideas. Tim Walz was as bad of a VP pick as Tim Kaine. The white guy as VP to shore up the right wing vote is a total myth. Biden was kind of the first one, then Tim Kaine, then Tim Walz. It just doesn't work. Neither will Newsoms podcast attempt at finding common ground which he hopes will translate into moderate votes. Democrats really have no clue just how bad things are about to get...

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

the truth about Bidens condition should have been known

It was known, and lots of us were shouting from the rooftops about it, But Democrats and liberals did everything they could to shut us up, accuse us of being Russian bots, accuse us of helping to get Trump elected, when it was liberals that got Trump elected by ignoring the people that saw every single sign

[–] forrcaho@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago

It didn't help that the New York Times and other media outlets were all in on talking shit about Biden, and that undermined their credibility on the age issue. It was only after Biden's disastrous showing at his debate with Trump that the average voter had any credible evidence of his decline.

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[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

honestly, if walz had been managed competently, I think he'd have been a pretty good folksy VP candidate. especially if he'd kept up on the 'weeeeird' stuff.

harris was just a terrible idea, and she didn't even push her strengths. it's like she, and the people who put her there, were all trying to lose.

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