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[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The censorship surrounding taiwan is super lame. You can't even ask about stuff that happened 50+ years ago. Even if you ask about something else, if somehow the answer includes the world Taiwan, it deletes it.

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Wait till you see how fascist US censorship works.

On the up side China has great prosperity because they dont let individuals hoard all the money and they dont allow unregulated free speech that turns countries like the US into INGSOC Oceania

[–] Charlxmagne@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It's open source, although not 'cause it wants to be but 'cause it's the best way to compete with mainstream non-chinese software internationally, you can easily remove any censorship included by default.

[–] vvilld@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago
[–] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 35 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Just run the LLM locally with open-webui and you can tweak the system prompt to ignore all the censorship

[–] vvilld@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Is this something someone without a coding background can do easily?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 0 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago) (1 children)

You can actually just ask it, if you have it hosted locally

I asked 14b if Taiwan is a country

-----Thinking-----

Alright, so I need to figure out if Taiwan is considered a country. From what I know, Taiwan has its own government and operates independently in many ways, like having its own currency and military. But then again, not all countries recognize Taiwan as an independent nation. Some people think of it as part of China, which complicates things. There's also the One-China policy that many nations follow, which says there's only one China and Taiwan is part of it.

I wonder how international law views this situation. Does Taiwan have any official recognition from the United Nations or other major countries? It seems like most countries don't officially recognize Taiwan as a separate country, but they might still maintain unofficial diplomatic relations. This makes me think that even though Taiwan acts like a country in many ways, it's not universally recognized as one.

Also, I'm curious about the historical background. Why is there such a dispute over Taiwan's status? It probably has to do with history and political interests of both China and other countries involved. Maybe there are economic or strategic reasons why some countries choose not to recognize Taiwan.

I should also consider what defines a country in international law. There are criteria like having a defined territory, a permanent population, a government, and the ability to engage in diplomatic relations with other states. Taiwan seems to meet most of these, but it's still not fully recognized by many nations.

Another point is the difference between state and government recognition. Even if Taiwan isn't officially recognized as a country by some states, does that mean it's not a sovereign state? It gets confusing because sovereignty can be tricky to determine in cases where there's international disagreement.

I also recall that some countries have diplomatic relations with Taiwan despite following the One-China policy, which means they acknowledge China's stance but still maintain unofficial ties with Taiwan. This seems like a way for them to balance their relationships without directly opposing China's position.

Overall, it looks like Taiwan's status as a country is not straightforward. It has elements that suggest it should be recognized as an independent state, but there are strong political and international factors that complicate this recognition. To fully understand whether Taiwan is a country, I need to look into both its internal governance and the international agreements and policies that affect its recognition.

Maybe I should also think about how other similar cases are handled internationally. For example, places like Kosovo or Palestine have struggled with their international recognition despite having many attributes of sovereign states. This comparison could help me understand Taiwan's situation better.

In summary, while Taiwan exhibits characteristics of a country in terms of governance and functionality, the lack of universal international recognition complicates its status as a recognized nation under international law.

-----Answer-----

Taiwan's status as a country is a complex issue that involves both internal governance and international political dynamics. While Taiwan has many attributes of a sovereign state, including a defined territory, permanent population, government, and the ability to engage in diplomatic relations with other states, it is not universally recognized as an independent nation by the international community.

Key points to consider:

Internal Governance: Taiwan operates independently with its own government, currency, and military, behaving like many sovereign nations.

International Recognition: Most countries do not officially recognize Taiwan as a separate country due to the One-China policy, which asserts that Taiwan is part of China.

Diplomatic Relations: While many nations maintain unofficial diplomatic relations with Taiwan, they often do so while adhering to the One-China policy to avoid straining their relations with China.

International Law and Sovereignty: The criteria for state recognition under international law include having a defined territory, permanent population, government, and diplomatic capacity. Taiwan meets most of these criteria but faces challenges in full recognition due to political and strategic considerations.

Historical and Political Context: The dispute over Taiwan's status is rooted in historical and political factors, including China's claim over Taiwan and the interests of other nations involved.

Comparison with Other Cases: Similar situations, such as those involving Kosovo or Palestine, highlight how international recognition can be influenced by political and strategic considerations beyond mere governance attributes.

In conclusion, while Taiwan exhibits many characteristics of a sovereign state, its status as an internationally recognized country remains ambiguous due to ongoing disputes and varying international policies.

Summary

I did ask it a few different ways and once in a while I got it to come off very bullish with china policy in a tone like "It is and always has been inalienably part of China and there are many historic records.... yada yada

It's definitely trained on some propaganda, but in this specific case, only 11-12 nations actually treat Taiwan as a full country with diploatic relations.

[–] vvilld@lemmy.world 2 points 12 minutes ago (1 children)

I meant, is hosting it locally something someone without a coding background can do easily

[–] Fillicia@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 minutes ago

Without a coding background, yes.

For someone technically illiterate it might be an issue.

You can get a good starting point looking at Ollama

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Don't you need a beefy GPU to run local LLMs?

[–] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago

Depends on how many parameters you want to use. I can run it with 8billion on my laptop.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 5 points 21 hours ago

Or just use Perplexity if you don't want to run your own LLM. It's not afraid to answer political questions (and cite its sources)

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

After censorship, bias still remains.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 22 hours ago

Is the local version censored at all?

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, it’s pretty blatant. A bit after it hit the scene I got curious and started asking it about how many people various governments have killed. The answer for my own US of A was as long as it was horrifying.

Then I get to China and it starts laying out a detailed description for a few seconds, then the answer disappears and is replaced by the “out of scope” or “can’t do that right now” or whatever it was at the time.

It makes me think their model might be fine, but then they have some kind of watchdog layered on top of it to detect the verboten subjects and interfere. I guess that feels better from a technical standpoint, even if it is equally bad from a personal/political one.

[–] joenforcer@midwest.social 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

DeepSeek isn't the only AI to censor itself after it generates text.

I once asked Copilot for the origin of the "those just my little ladybugs" meme, and once it generated the text "perineum and anus" it wiped the answer it had written thus far and said that it couldn't look for that right now. I checked again today and it had since sanitized the answer so it generates in full.

[–] vvilld@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I tried asking ChatGPT how a fictional character in a story I was writing would go about rigging a tesla cybertruck to light on fire without the police catching him. It wrote out a pretty detailed scene, but glossed over the specific actions. So I asked it to get more detailed in how it would change the wiring of the car. Then it wiped away the entire conversation (including previous responses) and said it couldn't talk about that right now.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, unfortunately for anything run by a US-based corporation, I think it’s not a question of whether there will be censorship but how bad it will get and how closely the tech industry we’ll continue to go along with the fascist flow.

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[–] Ferroto@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago
[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

congrats, you are now on a list

What is China gonna do? Its not like the US would collude with foreign governments, right? Right?

checks news on the Ukraine situation

oh... shit...

[–] turnip@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 day ago (46 children)

If your system relies on censoring opposition to it then its probably not very good.

[–] vvilld@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

No gods, no masters!

You just described every state, welcome to the right side of history, comrade.

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