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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 75 points 17 hours ago (28 children)

Is nobody concerned that illegal experiments on babies only gets you 3 years?

Maybe they were Uyghurs so it was classified as "property damage" in Chinese law.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago

Depends how successful the experiment is (and probably on what the goal is as well).

If he'd been testing the effects of grass vs grain feed on human fat marbling, I'd imagine the sentence would have been a little more severe

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 38 points 16 hours ago (12 children)

Be careful, you might get banned from lemmy dot ml for hatespeech against dictatorships.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee -2 points 7 hours ago

I've blocked that instance, but if they need more material to ban me I have it.

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 23 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Jiankui_affair

Laws were changed after this incident:

In 2020, the National People's Congress of China passed Civil Code and an amendment to Criminal Law that prohibit human gene editing and cloning with no exceptions

So, in case you actually meant that weird ignorant remark you made about Uyghurs, the answer is no and no.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee -4 points 7 hours ago

It was a joke... You don't get to jail for experimenting with slaves in China.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 6 points 14 hours ago

Lemmitors downvoting you because actually learning about the case conflicts with their "cHiNa BaD" circlejerk.

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[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't he the guy who was trying to find a way for HIV-positive couples to have HIV-negative babies?

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[–] nicknonya@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

wait he's not a fucking parody account?? i thought he was like. larping as an umbrella corp researcher

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 21 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, I'm pretty sure that's the dude that used crispr on some babies years ago in an attempt to make them immune to HIV or something.

[–] warbond@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I was very surprised to hear that China arrested him for it in the first place

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[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 162 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If a person's criticism is of "ethics" in general, that individual should not be allowed in a position of authority or trust. If you have a specific constraint for which you can make a case that it goes too far and hinders responsible science and growth (and would have repeatable, reliable results), then state the specific point clearly and the arguments in your favor.

[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

Best I can do is generalization

[–] neatobuilds@lemmy.today 66 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

So if we put these extra pair of legs on babies then they can stand in more extreme angles making them better at construction at a time when there is a housing shortage

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 16 points 16 hours ago

For acceptance in the US we will also add more hands so the baby can hold an AR 15 while doing construction work.

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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 29 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

And we already have a safety valve for when conventional ethics is standing in the way of vital research: the researchers test on themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-experimentation_in_medicine

If it's that vital, surely you would do it to yourself?

It's not terribly common because most useful research is perfectly ethical, but we have a good number of cases of researchers deciding that there's no way for someone to ethically volunteer for what they need to do, so they do it to themselves. Sometimes they die. Sometimes they make very valuable discoveries. Sometimes both.

So the next time someone wantz to strap someone to a rocket engine and fire it into a wall, all they have to do is go first and be part of the testing pool.

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If it's that vital, surely you would do it to yourself?

You can't really do the kind of experiments being done genetically modifying growing infants on yourself, I imagine. Not that that should be an excuse, of course.

[–] Nursery2787@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You can work your way through all the different animal models, showing that you have a clear understanding of every single bio mechanism. Then start off with a small change to a human baby THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BENEFIT showing that nothing bad happens. Like we figured out this specific sequence leads to deformed hands, we have plenty of control babies with the deformed hands.

By this guys own logic, he didn’t even get usable fucking data. Crispr changes DNA, yeah no shit we all knew that. He gave them a slight boost to HIV. How the fuck are we supposed to find out without exposing them. A high likelihood that they would have grown up never worrying about HIV in the first place.

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