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This is a warning shot for Canadians. The American Conservatives also started trotting that out right at the same time they started hacking the election machines and taking over media on all levels from gaming chat to Facebook to main media. Canada needs to secure their election systems now before it’s too late.
Signed: a concerned American who was once like those twats.
We don't use machines for voting, or at least we haven't in the past.
No, we don't use machines in Canada, nor is there a plan to introduce them.
I had to double check myself, but seems the statement was correct. Elections Canada says that (see Voting Technology section in the link):
Elections Canada does not use automatic ballot-counting machines to count ballots or tabulate results in Canadian federal elections.
There are no plans to introduce Internet voting or ballot-counting technology for federal elections.
I voted using a machine in the last provincial election in BC. I wouldn't be so certain that there is no plan to introduce them federally.
1: that's provincial not federal.
2: you still marked a paper ballot. The machine simply scanned it. The paper ballots are still available for hand counting.
3: those counting machines aren't internet connected.
That's great. That doesn't stop them from interfering on the back side and hiding or destroying votes as they were caught multiple times in our country. All I can say is you NEED to take it extremely seriously before all of your youth is corrupted by Nazism.
Every time I listen to Poilievre talk about "deregulating resource extraction"...all it reminds me of, is how back in the 80's, Conservatives in BC allowed the province to be strip mined and clear cut by US companies, who shipped all those resources south of the border for refinement...then sold it all back to us at a premium.
The government got their cut off the top, and didn't have to spend a dime...but Canada lost a ton of wealth, and not one long term job was produced.
It's short-sighted and wasteful policies like that, that basically ended the Conservative party in BC. Let's not repeat their mistakes on a National scale, please.
They loved the polls two months ago.
Only one poll counts and that's voting day. Make sure to get out and vote, this is one of those pivotal points in history where everyone's participation is critical.
The issue in my riding is that I usually vote NDP, but their candidate, while having worked in government before, hasn't ever held an elected position...but he was born in the riding, went to elementary and high school in the riding, and I feel like he's probably got his finger more on the pulse than the GP or Lib guys. Now I'm not opposed to voting Green, or strategically Liberal. The Green candidate also hasn't been in an elected position, isn't from the area, and also very young. Could strategically vote Lib, but while the incumbent Lib candidate is semi-local, experienced, hasn't burnt the place to the ground yet... they've been dodging accusations of CCP interference getting them voted in in 2021. Sticky sitch.
I've got to send my mail in ballot soon to make the cut off. Just kinda unsure about what I want to do....
Tell me about it. I've voted for the party that best represents me for a while now. This election is wholly different as the incumbent is retiring and not up for re-election. My liberal choice is a "get in by any means" type who rolled as conservative two elections ago. I really like Carney but when it comes to voting strategically I'm not sure I can do it with the liberal candidate in my district, so may still go NDP. My district has no actual polling data either, just estimates, so that makes it all the more murky.
It's not a great place we're in currently for an election. But do as must. Like I said in a response to someone else, the demographics of my riding mean it's a bit of a toss up between the Lib and Tory, with the Lib the more likely. I'll probably just vote NDP. It's their candidate's first time, but we all start somewhere. Also the fact he is from the riding, grew up there, and has continued to be based there makes me more confident that he'll do his best for the actual interests of the riding.
I'm in a very similar situation. The NDP and Green seem unqualified and the Liberal is lackluster.
My wife is more politically savvy than me. She's had a look at the NDP guy's background, and feels like he might not be the worst choice. And we all start somewhere, not like experienced politicians just appear out of nowhere. The fact that he's local, and is running in the riding he grew up in makes me feel a bit better about him.
The Green candidate has a GP page, but no way to get to it through links from the homepage. Also has no internet presence at all. Like literally the only thing that comes up is the GP page that is only discoverable by search... it's not even linked to on the elections.ca page for my riding.
Probably gonna vote for the NDP guy. Due to the demographics of my riding it's a toss up between the Lib and Tory winning. Don't feel like a strategic vote is necessary what with the FPTP system we still use.
This is what happens when people live in bubbles.
The maple maga don’t interact with any Liberals because their toxicity has pushed them away. They don’t get news or media from any sources that don’t tell them what they want to hear.
In the bubble they have created, they don’t hear many voices opposing their worldview and the few that do get through are shut down cold.
Time will tell if PP will stoke those flames after the election like his American president and hero did.
This is exactly why CBC is so important. It's available everywhere. It's not controlled by a billionaire. Unfortunately, it has ads. But, it's not so dependent on ads that it has to avoid certain topics.
They might choose not to watch it, but it's there. It doesn't prevent people from living in a bubble, but it's right there, right outside the bubble. I think it makes the bubble problem much smaller than it is in the US.
Agreed, it’s a lone voice in independent journalism. Which is why the CPC wants to crush it.
I have to admit. I did the same last year. I could not understand why Poilievre was so popular and everyone hated Trudeau so badly. I thought that there must be something funky going on with the polls.
I still don't get it. I'm aware that there's a constant hate-fest against Trudeau, but whenever anybody mentions specifics it's mostly stuff that's outside a PM's control, if it's even true.
For sure! We all live in these same bubbles to various extents.
I believe that the 51st state threats were a wake up call to many Canadians to the reality of what’s going on. That we couldn’t just coast in our bubbles and hope everything would be okay.
Paul said the idea to question the polls started around a coffee table with a small group of Poilievre supporters. He said they plan to travel across the country starting Thursday to conduct their own live polls from rallies since they believe there is a disconnect between the momentum that they say they're witnessing on the ground and the results in public opinion surveys.
It’s like they think they’re at a hockey game expecting to see people in visitor jerseys.
The cat lover club plans to canvas people at the cat breed shows to prove people love cats more than dogs.
Don't trust the polls is a precursor to stop the steal.
They can't. Don't worry, Conservatives, you're going to win. No need to actually cast your ballot.
Because of course they would
In accordance with the programming they have received
The conservative doubling down continues.
Conservatives have a combined iq of -42
+/-42
The polls are wrong more often than not. I question why we even have them. That being said, you can’t claim polls are BS only when they’re saying things you don’t like.
You can if you're a conservative, it's kind of their thing. They lie about everything.
Hey now! I believe the preferred term is reality challenged.
What do you mean by "wrong"? I can't remember the last time a poll was wrong.
I guess by wrong I mean doesn’t seem to correlate with the actual election results
So they said there was a 100% chance that X was going to win but Y won?
Yes, absolutely that’s what I’m trying to say, you got me bro!
Ok, because in that case they were wrong. In every other case you can't say that they were wrong.
The polls are wrong more often than not.
[citation needed]
Polls are generally pretty good, especially for reliable polling firms. The problem is people don't understand what they mean, and media often does a poor job at explaining them.
I question why we even have them.
To give lazy reporters something insubstantial to talk about. It's half a step up from standing on a street corner shoving a mic in people's faces.
Because thousands come out to his rallies in highly populated areas? Like what? Do they really think that this country isn't comprised of tens of millions of voting age citizens? Plus, what kind of a fucking loser spends their spare time (unemployed) going to a fucking political rally. That's lame af.
The biggest, wealthiest, most advanced polling firms in the US couldn't get it right either, horrendously so in recent memory. I don't think that's down to conspiracy, but how to weight your samples when so many people don't want to answer a phone call from an unusual number.
I know a lot of firms missed on the 2016 election, but the last two (plus the midterms) have all been within the margin of error.
What's an example of them getting it wrong?