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[–] Adrius@ttrpg.network 29 points 5 days ago (8 children)

This is just a toxic gender wars meme. Go outside, touch some grass, meet someone nice and move on with life. Memes like this come from and perpetuate the loneliness epidemic.

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[–] gens@programming.dev 35 points 6 days ago

Memes is now shitting on genders ? Y'all fuckers don't know shit about empathy, and about memes either.

[–] diffusive@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Boys are taught to ignore emotions (“are you crying? Man up!”)

But emotions is what connects humans (and animals for that matter) and can’t really be ignored anyway

Join the two… and you get loneliness, frustration, rage.

We should start a conversation on emotional education (not only for boys but especially for boys)

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Because nobody wants men to be emotional. When I started opening up is when my marriage started falling apart lol

[–] SparroHawc@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

If opening up is what caused the marriage to fall apart, it was built on a broken foundation and was doomed from the start. You're only finding out now because emotional unavailability hides that sort of thing.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah happens even before marriage.

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yeah I ain't ever showing emotions again except to a paid professional lmao.

Most women want someone very emotionally stable

[–] CaptnNMorgan@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Lol maybe talk to nicer women?

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[–] Atmoro@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I'll add that people aren't being hugged, & touched enough. Also, infrastructure sucks to encourage socializing

Its an epidemic of that. We are social creatures. That's our main motto

When we work together, live in groups, etc we all feel better. Reminds us of our tribe days

A big part of human connection is being physical with each other in a chill way. So try to hug your bros more, & get things done as a unit with women!

Both sides are supposed to be allies to each other

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

the problem is that incels focusing in that problem think that they are owed sex and attention from attractive women. when the real solution of to develop and use third spaces, and develop social connections of any kind.

[–] papertowels@mander.xyz 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This was a pivotal video about "nice guys" I watched growing up that imo everyone should watch.

Favorite line:

This is not a transaction where you walk up to the cashier and pull out your nice bucks and buy sex and romance.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Unfortunately, many men think hugging or touching each other is effeminate and gay.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 18 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Ah, the classic generalization of men and women as singular groups where everyone acts as one.

There are certain shitty men who objectify women and play alphas. There is the general category of men who get shitted at because of it, whether they belong to the former or not.

Sure, being afraid of the shitty folks is a valid reason to be cautious around everyone, as you can't easily tell one from the other. But saying that all men just made this stuff up while being total asses wouldn't be fair or helpful.

To be clear: there is a male loneliness epidemic driven by ever increasing caution about men overall. Men are often unfairly denied attention they need because they are seen as potential dangers by women and might be ridiculed for speaking out about their feelings by men (which, in turn, do it to protect themselves from the same treatment in an unhealthy patriarchal culture).

This is not healthy; moreover, being in that state of loneliness and frustration is prone to radicalizing people, making sayings about dangerous men a self-fulfilling prophecy in one case, and just causing a lot of misery in the other.

If you're a woman, I'd suggest giving a bit of attention to the men around you. There is a million of untold stories there, and making someone open up to you for the first time is a great and rewarding experience. Or just...be there, and that will be appreciated.

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My wife sometimes stops to compliment me because she knows men don't often receive compliments. I always appreciate that.

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[–] NostraDavid@programming.dev 16 points 6 days ago

Downvoted for being unnecessarily antagonistic.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Are these the same guys that think that eating pussy makes you gay?

It's no fucking wonder they're lonely.

Have they tried not being assholes?

Sopranos confirmed that...never made sense...

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[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 12 points 6 days ago

if the problem is that men have loneliness issues i have a solution.

it's men, more than one, become friends.

is there a issue with modern social alienation caused by individual atomisation? yes.

should we focus on it? yes

does it mean that women owe them sex? fuck no,

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 17 points 6 days ago

Empathy being both a weakness and a sin...

What more proof do you need that America is a failed state?

[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Dude I’m lonely because I’m a hypersexual libido chameleon with a long term partner who has a pandas sex drive.

[–] diffusive@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If you like football and your best friend doesn’t like football, what do you do? You beg your best friend to play football… but if they really don’t like football or it is just a “once in a while thing” what you do? Probably find another friend or group of friends that like football. Your best friend likely stays your best friend but now you are happy, your best friend is not annoyed by you asking playing football and you have new friends

Of course you don’t hide or lie to your best friend on what you do and when… otherwise they would be (rightfully) upset but if you share and they are mad that you want to have new friends it’s on them to be unreasonable.

Well here Ethical non monogamy in a nutshell in a context where it is socially acceptable 🤷‍♂️

[–] shirro@aussie.zone 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (44 children)

I don't understand misogyny at all. What's it all about? If you were homosexual and were raised in an ancient Macedonian army or something perhaps you wouldn't see a mother, sisters, daughters, lovers, work colleagues, neighbors, friends but who lives like that? Boys who live in front of a screen and are too anxious and scared to go outside? Racism I can kind of understand if you only have superficial knowledge of other people and cultures.

Once that testosterone kicks in at puberty women aren't generally a physical threat to men. I don't really understand all the fear of them. Some women are really, really cool. Like serious friend material and lifelong partner stuff.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

A woman is absolutely a threat to another human. Any animal that size is. That you think women are harmless is ironically, misogyny.

There's a couple of.good books about this - Delusions of Gender by Fine and Sex, Lies, and Brain Scans. Basically we have implicit and explicit biases in how we expect people to perform roles. However, these biases aren't based in fact. When we police other people's behaviors based on these biases, or otherwise force others into roles we've developed, it's bad/abusive.

Women are a special type of role, because that role generally means they have babies (ofc we all know many women who don't have babies). The ownership of their baby making ability is likely why men created the patriarchy, to endanger women by other men, to force women into proximity of whatever man was able to support them. This, and the narrative that men should fuck as soon as they feel any sexual urges because that's "being a man," form the basis for their abuse of women over thousands of years.

Imagine how damaged all our mitochondrial DNA is from our mothers because of this, generations of trauma. And further, the eggs that made up YOU, were inside your mom as a baby, when she was inside HER mom. Meaning your grandma's stress during and before pregnancy with your mom, had a direct impact on you as an egg. And further further, you get 100% of your cells from your mother, and 50% of your DNA. But every cell of life in your body came from your mother. Her stress and abuse has caused damage to the human condition imo and it is therefore vital to treat women well even if you only care about men.

And a key piece of taking good care of humans, is freedom and bodily autonomy, which form the basis for respect in most animal species.

Which is why misogyny hates all of that and why misogynists also tend to like hurting animals too.

[–] cyberblob@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 6 days ago (18 children)

Puh what a rant.

I actually just want to correct you on one thing and I am also Not sure what you really meant.

But we dont get 100% of our cells from our mothers. We get the mitochondria from our mothers. The cells that enclose those mitochondria are perfectly 50/50 after fertilisation.

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[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 8 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Honestly, this argument comes across to me as a horrible mangling of different pop-sci concepts to construct a victimology. There's good evidence of the mechanism by which stress and trauma induce epigenetic changes in organisms. (Selective methylization regulating expression of genes.) There's some evidence of epigenetic changes due to physiological trauma passed down through germ cells. But it's a huge leap to ascribe mtDNA damage to psychological experiences.

The mitochondria have a degenerate genome, a tiny amount of DNA with (looking it up) 37 genes to support the processing of energy into ATP to power the cell. It is susceptible to epigenetic changes, which leads pretty directly to a number of metabolic disorders, but I can't find any evidence that those changes result from life experiences of an animal. The idea that mtDNA has accumulated generations of damage from sexist trauma beggars logic, too, because there's just not a lot of room to collect damage, and that damage leads to health problems fairly directly. If one got every cell of life from one's mother, in turn, she got it from her mother, and so on all the way back to the first eukaryotic life. All of those generations of trauma, how are we even still living?

Furthermore, the assertion that "men created the patriarchy" ignores actual history and context. One simply cannot ascribe a singular intent to a class comprising billions of individuals across time and space. At best, one could describe patriarchy as an emergent phenomena of societies and cultures. About half of the individuals in those societies and cultures were women, so you'd have to conclude that women helped create patriarchy, unless you deny their agency or intelligence.

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

Yes... It's because of the few loud-mouthed, salty, misogynists that men are generally lonely.

Maybe if this wasn't the attitude towards men all the time, there'd be less young boys listening to twats like Andrew Tate.

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