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Stumbled across this quick post recently and thought it was a really good tale and worth sharing.


A couple of weeks ago, I saw a tweet asking: "If Linux is so good, why aren't more people using it?" And it's a fair question! It intuitively rings true until you give it a moment's consideration. Linux is even free, so what's stopping mass adoption, if it's actually better? My response:

  • If exercising is so healthy, why don't more people do it?
  • If reading is so educational, why don't more people do it?
  • If junk food is so bad for you, why do so many people eat it?

The world is full of free invitations to self-improvement that are ignored by most people most of the time. Putting it crudely, it's easier to be fat and ignorant in a world of cheap, empty calories than it is to be fit and informed. It's hard to resist the temptation of minimal effort.

And Linux isn't minimal effort. It's an operating system that demands more of you than does the commercial offerings from Microsoft and Apple. Thus, it serves as a dojo for understanding computers better. With a sensei who keeps demanding you figure problems out on your own in order to learn and level up.

Now I totally understand why most computer users aren't interested in an intellectual workout when all they want to do is browse the web or use an app. They're not looking to become a black belt in computing fundamentals.

But programmers are different. Or ought to be different. They're like firefighters. Fitness isn't the purpose of firefighting, but a prerequisite. You're a better firefighter when you have the stamina and strength to carry people out of a burning building on your shoulders than if you do not. So most firefighters work to be fit in order to serve that mission.

That's why I'd love to see more developers take another look at Linux. Such that they may develop better proficiency in the basic katas of the internet. Such that they aren't scared to connect a computer to the internet without the cover of a cloud.

Besides, if you're able to figure out how to setup a modern build pipeline for JavaScript or even correctly configure IAM for AWS, you already have all the stamina you need for the Linux journey. Think about giving it another try. Not because it is easy, but because it is worth it.

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I started using Linux as a liberal arts major in the late '90s. Both my grandparents (RIP) and my parents (partial RIP) kept having issues with Windows on their computers. I was constantly being called to help them with crap. 20+ years ago I asked if I could try something and they didn't care, as long as it worked. Debian and XFCE. Configured their email, hooked up the printer. Suddenly the service issues went from several times a month to once every 5+ years. And 90% of those issues just was clearing out the printer queue. I have never once understood the LiNuX iS OnlY FoR suPer TeCH NeRDS bullshit.

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

You're right in that case - most "granny" users just need a browser and maybe a printer. Don't need Windows, you could probably run that on a Raspberry.

The catch is when they want more, like their VoIP App that only hat Mac and Windows installers, or some arcane HP scanner with 32 bit Windows 7 drivers. Or they are competent and want an actual full MS Office suite including Excel formulas and functions; Calc is still not on par. Or, kicker, if they actually need to exchange Office files with others without lossy conversions.

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[–] Puzzlehead@reddthat.com 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well android uses Linux I found out.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

Yes, I think the biggest hurdle for Linux is the tech crowd giving it a reputation for being difficult

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

because most people use what comes installed and apple and microsoft dominate that.

then again, considering apple is based on unix you could argue that anyone with apple does use a version of it

[–] andMoonsValue@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

This is the obvious right answer. If computers shipped with Linux mint most consumers wouldn't notice the difference.

[–] DimFisher@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What issues are you all talking about? I m a Linux user for eleven years now, the only issues you may have with them are only in the beginning when everything is not installed or sometimes not everything is perfectly installed and set up, once you finish with that you may get bored by how extremely stable they are, you just do your work and that's it, and they stay like that forever, the only reason people are using windows is because they are pre installed, that's the only truth.

[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (9 children)

To be fair, i installed linux on an old laptop and i just cannoy get the wifi to be reliable. I found myself reading about the minutia of intel wifi drivers and how wifi works in detail just to try tonsolve this issue.

I outright gave up on getting a printer to work.

This is an unrealistic experience for most people who just need a tool that works. Life is too short.

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[–] tauren@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

when everything is not installed or sometimes not everything is perfectly installed and set up

I guess that'd be a major blocker for most people.

[–] highball@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Correct, and it's the same for any OS, and figuratively every user. The average user has no clue how to install an OS nor cares to do so. Few people switch the OS on their phone. Few switch to Windows on a Steam Deck. Nobody it trying out different OSes on their SmartTV. It's the tech nerds that install OSes, they are the ones that switch. That's why it's always hilarious to read them complain about Linux needing to be made easy to install for the "average" user.

the only reason people are using windows is because they are pre installed, that’s the only truth.

This couldn't be more true.

[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 112 points 3 days ago (26 children)

The reason is that Linux usually doesn't come preinstalled. I'm pretty sure at least 50% of the users wouldn't even notice they have Mint Cinnamon instead of Windows on their Laptops.

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[–] Radium@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (19 children)

The UIs and UXes in Linux are still shit and look like they are from 1998. Engineers are not great designers. I design UI and UX for windows and Android for a living. I'm not professionally educated in design, but I know how to make a GUI look like it wasn't a collab by Mattel and M.C Esher for use on a museum computer. That goes for apps and system features. The Bluetooth device GUI in Linux Mint is fuckawful:

Being able to consistently install things by downloading an exe from a website and just double click it is lacking.

The names of Linux software are also regularly dumb. Trying to be punny, clever, or cool. If it resized images, just call it Image Resized For Mint or something, not "Nautilus" or Nemo", they are forgettable and tell me nothing about the app "Uhh, it was something ocean themed, I think". (This is true of Windows apps as well, Audacity, Figma Director, and Irfanview, I'm looking at you)

Apps "forgetting" the last-used settings, inc last used save file path, or user config, is a common issue too. Out of the box, apps should remember last-used settings without having to be told.

Window focus interfering with key capture is an issue too. Use Flameshot (a screen capture app) to take a region screenshot of a right-click context menu in another app - you can't. Greenshots on windows does it fine.

I still persist with Mint, but the process is further from 'Seamless' than even windows 11, the shitshow it is.

Maybe I just hate all operating systems.

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Kde plasma and gnome both look good, cachyos also has a nicer graphical installer than windows in a live os environment off the usb, can basically test the plasma ui without commiting

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[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 62 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (24 children)

And Linux isn't minimal effort. It's an operating system that demands more of you than does the commercial offerings from Microsoft and Apple. Thus, it serves as a dojo for understanding computers better. With a sensei who keeps demanding you figure problems out on your own in order to learn and level up.

Counterpoint: most people don't use Linux because the people that evangelize Linux talk about it like this.

I don't want to "level up," I want to accomplish my tasks. I'm trying to get shit done, not train for a fucking tournament.

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[–] cortex7979@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (13 children)

What if I need a program that is only available for windows?

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 3 points 1 day ago

If such an awful thing ever happpened to me in my personal life I'd change my needs.

In work of course I'm fucked, by stupidity rather than needs of course, but at least that's only for 37.5 hours a week.

[–] tableflip5@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

compatibility layers makes 99% software work

or try a virtual windows instance if performace is not critical

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, but for non-technical people this is an insurmountable barrier. My aunt isn't "trying a virtual machine".

[–] tableflip5@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

the setup is straightfoward

people are just allergic to the terminal

you aunt can get a windows instance setup by someone competent and use that instance forever

[–] musubibreakfast@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

I'm in the same boat, adobe can get fucked

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The app may be windows only, but it can often help to ask for alternative. And not things like "What can I use in Linux that is the same as under Windows". More along the lines of "I need to create or do . In Windoze I used , how do I get the same work done under Linux". Sometimes you don't have much of a choice, go emulation layer or VM, but often you can find a different path to the same result and once you get used to it, it's a better solution.

[–] Roopappy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
  1. You may not actually need that app. There are many alternatives to Windows-only apps. 95% of the time, I use those. Web apps or Linux native apps.

or 2) you switch back to Windows when you really need that one app. Odds are, over time, you realize it's actually #1.

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