politics

I'm honestly wondering if this post isn't just missing the forest for the trees. Like, what if it really is all about just guys not getting laid?

Like, OOP goes to college, spends time with lots of women, goes to parties, and sleeps with some of them. His view is now that society is reasonably just, since he now has a reasonable expectation that he will be able to have sex.

I mean, we can think about the various manosphere spaces: the red pill - treat women badly to get sex; mgtow - give up on relationships with women and just do your own thing; incels - just give up, you were doomed to l be a virgin from the start; "male loneliness epidemic", aka, I can't get a girlfriend. And then we have Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson giving these men advice, which if you remove the toxicity, boils down to: stop caring about what women think of you, take care of yourself, work out, get hobbies, spend time with friends, do well in your career. Which is pretty good advice to follow if you are a man, looking for women!

And it's not like sex is some trivial thing, either. From an evolutionary point of view, if you can't have sex and have no expectation of being able to get it in the future, that's a death worse than death. It is the end of your genes, which are programmed to want to continue existing even more than any individual is.

So if you're looking to deradicalize young men, it's possible that the solution is to just give them a straightforward path to getting some pussy.

I thought this was really well put. The power dynamic between boys and girls is very different than between men and women. Few people explain this or make allowances for it so boys often hear about the patriarchy and it does not line up with their life experience.

What young boys like me didn’t realize when we were being lectured about patriarchy and the problems of men, is that being a man is an extremely privileged position over women, we’re just not old enough to benefit from it yet. This presents a problem on how we teach oppression and discrimination to young people who have little autonomy of their own and feel bad when you imply your immutable characteristics harm people you seek validation from.

I had no money which I presumed meant I had no value to the opposite sex. I wanted the company of women and girls, but I also resented them because I lacked experience in dating and my few experiences were rocky. A lot of magazines and headlines focused on the shortcomings of men and boys in the early 2010s, and it was easy for me to get negatively polarized into thinking it was a personal attack.

This here is it. It's where you place blame, not just what you're exposed to. I'm an "uneducated" worthless factory schmuck, and perpetually single as they pointed out is the trend, but I've never blamed women for my failure. I'm worthless and that isn't their fault, it's mine.

"There are plenty of fish in the sea" so why would anyone with two functioning braincells go for someone like me when there are so many better options out there especially considering the fucked up economic situation our parents and grandparents have left for us? No on in their right mind would look at someone as worthless as me and choose me over someone else who has a similar personality, but actually has a career worth a shit.

That's not the fault of women at all, that's just logical. I may be funny at times, nice, and at least as intelligent as a monkey, but so are millions of other people who also can contribute to a fulfilling life without economic struggle. Why sign up for potential hardship when you don't have to? Tie that into the world of dating apps where your profile is your resume and you're part of the buffet table of choices easily passed over for the more appetizing, fulfilling meals. It just makes sense.

It's the entitled, inflated ego, self centered people who go and blame women's choices as some sort of "problem" because they weren't chosen. The phrase "get good" comes to mind, if I'm not good enough that's my problem not theirs.

Many of these early communities on Atheism, which captured me for their sensibility and anti-orthodoxy, evolved into anti-progressivism and eventually evolved into the Redpill and Manosphere which is how millions of young boys today engage with their gender.

Everybody says I'm crazy when I point out that skeptic spaces in the 2010s were just as vulnerable as gamer spaces to hateful ideology. Islamophobia and Western Chauvinism were the red-pills of r/atheism.

In Reeve's book "Black pill", she notices a pattern in the alt-right leadership of terminally-online young men who are socially awkward, good test-takers, and high-IQ*, while having little academic, material, or dating success. Alt-right ideology was heavily correlated to autism. But Reeves points out that these were largely self-diagnosed "autists" who "identify" as having the one disability popularly conceived as a mental advantage. As opposed to all the other disabilities that make your life unworthy of living.

*IQ is bullshit

That was a surprisingly good read. Not surprising, just insightful and well said.