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I'm talking about like tax fraud and stuff.

Do you be the snitch, or do you be like Skyler White and join them?

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[–] Zak@lemmy.world 67 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If it harmed an innocent, probably. If it harmed a government, corporation, or detestable person, no.

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 45 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I feel like this is the kind of question that needs a whole lot of details before it is answerable.

Tax fraud? Absolutely fuck not.

Drunk driving? Probably I would give them a single "Hey next time I find out you're doing that I am calling the cops on you" warning shot.

Stealing from their company? Depends, what does the company do and who owns it? Again almost certainly not.

And so on.

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[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Ya, hopefully OP is in a safe place if need be.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I ain’t seen nuttin’, officer.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 25 points 2 weeks ago

You don't have join them, but you can also not see a god damned thing. Unless they're doing something that screws over good, innocent people, especially on a wide scale, I'm minding my own business.

[–] libra00@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

First, Skyler was practically a hostage, and an unwilling participant at best. I would describe her more as an abuse victim who still stays with her partner than a collaborator.

But to answer your question it's always going to be a case-by-case basis because it really depends on the impact of what they're doing and the harm it causes.

  • Defrauding the government? Meh, the government has been fucking us for generations, turnabout is fair play.

  • Stealing from some oligarch? Shit, need a partner? Eat the rich.

  • Embezzling from your small-business employer? That's more likely to have a direct impact on your coworkers so I'd be concerned but still probably not.

But more serious stuff like dealing hard drugs to kids, selling guns and bombs to crazy people, killing people, blowing shit up, etc? Yeah, now we have a problem. Now, what gets done about that problem also depends on the person, the activity, and the circumstances.

  • My husband came after me with a knife so I shot him? Cool, gimme a call if you need help hiding the body.
  • Help I accidentally murdered someone (and it really was an accident)? Gray area, the law probably needs to get involved but I would encourage them to come forward themselves rather than turn them in. If they had a compelling reason not to I might help them or might stay out of it depending on circumstance.
  • My wife wouldn't let me turn our home into the set of a realtiy TV show so I could be a star so I beat her to death (an actual thing that happened)? Hello officer, it was this guy right here.
[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Agreed. Are they punching up or down? What’s the potential harm and who will it harm?

If they’re just setting themselves up for disaster it’s probably best to remain hands-off and distance yourself. If they have a family I’d at least tell them what an idiot they are and then distance myself. Probably might be worth checking with the partner and tell them to protect themselves if they aren’t part of it.

And yeah, like you said, anything causing harm to innocent parties like selling hard drugs or guns is a non-starter.

[–] libra00@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeah, their reasons for doing it matter too obviously. If they're just fucking over other people to enrich themselves then I am much more likely to report them (and also stop being friendly, cause that's not the kind of person I want to spend my time with.)

Also re:selling guns I should clarify - I don't have an issue with selling guns, even illegally, unless they're selling to people who shouldn't have them.

[–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Depends on the details. If their crime hurt someone innocent (or had a high likelihood to) and it was intentional, yes.

If I'm likely to go down with them if they get caught, yes.

Otherwise, I ain't no snitch and even if I were I don't know anything about nothing.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] libra00@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, I would've done so too, because that dude was bankrupting people just to make himself a bit richer. I hope he rots in hell.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

See, there's people here saying never for something nonviolent. That's kinda silly, non-violent crimes can be just as bad. They're just less visually compelling.

[–] libra00@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I have higher standards than most people I guess. My rule is simple: don't be stupid, don't be a dick. If you can't clear those two pretty low bars then you are cordially invited to get bent.

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[–] huquad@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What's the charge? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?

[–] SW42@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is democracy manifest!

[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah I see you know your judo well!

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Get your hand off my peNIS!

[–] moe93@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

And you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?

[–] kambusha@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Snitch on a loved one? Never. If I thought it was ethically or morally wrong, I would tell them what I think about it. Good people also make mistakes, and good people can change.

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[–] superkret@feddit.org 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

If it's non-violent, no. never.

As a general rule, I don't call the cops on anyone unless that person's death will prevent immediate harm to others.

Cause if you call the cops on someone, you do put that person (and their neighbors) in mortal danger.

[–] hoi_polloi@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It goes like this. If you have a problem and you call the cops, you now have two problems. It's up to you to decide if the first problem is worth getting into the second.

[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wow, where do you live? This just sounds crazy to have to worry about this when deciding whether to involve the cops.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Going to guess America, since all of those rules apply for dealing with U.S. police. If you call them, you have to expect someone to die.

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[–] libra00@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

What about taking the direct (early) Breaking Bad example: they're not gunning people down in the street, but their product is definitely getting poeple, including children, addicted. It's non-violent, let's say they don't even hire people to shoot competitors or whatever, but it is inarguably causing people significant, probably life-long harm.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

No and no.

Ponzi scheme or something like that? Yes, I would snitch. Bank robbery, please do not tell me. Cheating on taxes? I will judge you but no, not turn you in, if you get caught you get caught.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

Snitches get stitches. If they aren't hurting anyone let em be exercise ur right to silence if questioned.

If they get in shit tho don't bail em out its not ur problem.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 7 points 2 weeks ago

No. Fuck the government and giant corporations. I mean I wouldn't commit such crimes, but that's just because I don't want to deal with the consequences if I get caught. If you're willing to pay your nickel and take your chances, go for it, as long as no innocent people are hurt in the process.

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Report them for tax fraud? Almost definitely not. I would be getting a lawyer and accountant to insulate myself and my financials from them.

[–] TheThrillOfTime@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

Snitches get stitches. Unless someone is hurting people, I ain't seen nothing.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

Depends, if the crime severely harms other people

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ethics comes above personal relationships always. That being said, small-scale tax fraud doesn't really seem pressing; there's plenty of flexibility about what to do about that, ethically speaking.

I'd have to duckduckgo where you even report that, because I don't think it's the normal police.

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

There's two extremes and the gradient between as I see it. One end of the scale follows their own code primarily and only respects laws they disagree with out of fear of social contract violations and the punishments. The other group follows and enforces all law without much critical thought about who is writing them and why. Unjust or not they don't seem to care. Then your middle grounders.

Partners and I have always been pretty strongly on the "our own code is primary" side. Probably because I wouldn't find someone with the other mindset attractive.

So, it really depends on what they did exactly. If I agree with them, I'm not saying shit. Although if I'm upset or not depends if we talked about it or not. If I'm just getting surprised by this, the sneaky secrecy behind my back would risk the relationship more than anything likely.

Tax fraud I wouldn't be okay with, so if they went and did it anyways or didn't talk to me about it beforehand that's game over.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Every family and relationship is different, I guess. I feel like active extortion would make the dinners a bit weird for me.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

Neither? I'd wash my hands off the whole thing "on your head be it if this goes to shit".0

Not calling the authorities, also not going to need torture to tell them what I know if you get caught.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Serious, yes. Tax fraud, no.

Tax fraud may be serious to the govt, and the punishment may be serious, but you’re not hurting an individual, you’re not putting anyone out if business or out of a job, you’re not committing treason, you’re not even displaying sociopathic tendencies. Maybe if it were on the scale of Trump’s tax fraud …

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

I agree with other commenters that it depends on the crime against my own morals.

[–] Not_Cartmans_Mom@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

As long as nobody is hurt beyond the pockets, I don’t know shit about fuck.

[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 2 points 2 weeks ago

Generally if a person or small business was harmed then I'll report them but if it's the government and they did tax fraud or evasion I couldn't be bothered.

[–] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly, if it's truly a "loved one" I probably wouldn't even report them for murder. Why? I think that when someone is close enough to you we simply apply different standards to them. Kind of like rescuing your own child from a burning building rather that rescuing two strangers.

[–] positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I detest people that make serious holes in their morals for close ones. It's repulsive.

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[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Styler was complicit in a murderous/ deadly underground drug ring, where families are shredded apart and people died.

Someone fibbing on their 1099 isn't anywhere near the same

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