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as much as i wouldnt want to see just ai art with no further human work/edit/something. i dont think its actually possible to police ai art without banning human work that might look similar. as much i understand the sentiment of others on ai art, its a slippery slope to have 'tells' of an ai art vs human. wont go too in-depth but i sometimes make art that's intentionally smudgy and weird, idk if people would mistake those for ai art but i can see it being possible.

ai art without further human work i think should be removed. but i dont think it should be removed if its not clear it was ai. maybe a rule that if u do post ai u must at least say its that in the description. ofcourse this isnt gonna make everyone who posts ai to do that, but faith in people first should be the best start. if it isnt clarified on ai but many are saying, moderators could ask and have a policy if the creator doesnt clarify after being asked then it could be removed or locked at least.

i would also like to give opinion on comments. that post did have ai defenders and those should be removed, especially if they are being intentionally hateful. but i am also not really cool with tolerance on those who were being hateful on ai users as well, especially when the post was unproven. i do want to say there should be a discussion on whether such comments should be kept as is as well. im not here to defend ai, but i dont think being actively hostile towards a suspected ai thing is a good thing. it goes back to the slipperly slope, if i make some art that i have been doing before gen_ai was a thing, making intentionally weird smudged up things, and im being harassed for suspected ai, i wouldnt post again (to be clear i have not had this experience and i havent posted my weird art, i might someday; im giving an example that has happened in the art community over and over for people i know, i dont want this place to be unsafe similar to that. we have to keep in mind that tells and stuff is very much gonna hurt human creators more than it can hurt the corporate empire of gen_ai).

this is all not to mention that i think gen_ai users are significantly smaller scapegoats of a problem then are corporations making, funding, implementing, and buying gen_ai stuff. and i feel harassment of gen_ai users is pointless, maybe more fruitful to spread awareness of its harm as many non tech people i know dont know the issues until told. u can call them ignorant at most sure, but harassment just gonna lead them to continue ignoring. though thats a much more different issue, im highlighting as an opinion here to explain my thinking of why i dont want harassment or hateful things in the comments. especially generalized one that might hurt human creators far more

I do not like AI in any form and do not want it in front of me if possible

fuck ai full stop. imho. it's cooking the planet and stealing art and funding nazis all the same whether you use it to make fun of the nazis or ai bros or make something otherwise entertaining with it. you're still contributing to the problem using it at all.

i support a full ban on AI-generated art. however, I think the moderation should be lenient and allow art when it’s not certain if it’s AI-generated or not. IMO letting some AI art through is better than over-moderating and hurting real artists.

at the very least, making it possible to filter out AI art would be a good thing as well.

Should AI posts require being tagged in the title? (and of course be required to be of a certain level of quality)

This, at the very very least. I support a full ban though.

I have a fundamental issue with AI generated content— it’s trained on data largely without permission, attribution or compensation. At least in the USA, corporations have never really had copyright law enforced on them (with enough money and lawyers, you can either settle out of court or dispute any issues). But this generative AI trend feels to me like a larger kind of loophole which lets corporations blatantly steal works for their own use because they’re interpreted by their deep patterns and merged with lots of other data.

It also takes the humanity out of arts. It’s automating the most human part of us, creating, imagining, and refining techniques and skills.

I’m in favor of a full ban, including content that’s been touched up.

Now moderating it is a hard issue, because it’s only getting harder to differentiate AI-generated content, and I agree that there’s danger in over-scrutinizing. Not sure I can chime in much there.

(This post generated by a human being)

If I wanted AI memes there are dedicated websites for AI generated memes. It should be outright banned from this sub, people can just spam otherwise.

I'm personally of the belief that there is so much AI art generated with stolen art data that I'd rather we not post it.

AI memes are something I associate with Facebook and Xitter, not something I enjoy having show up in my feed. Personally I would rather see literal MS paint stick figures than AI slop.

It's not art in the first place. Just images without any value at all. I come here for posts by other people, a way of communicating with my fellow humans, not slop.

I personally am in favor of no generative AI on this sub. If it is going to be added please mandate it being tagged in the title. Maybe that would be better because then people wouldn't feel the need to try to pass the photos the AI made for them off as non-GenAI posts?

A lot of good reasoning is going on already so I won't repeat what I've upvoted already.

What I'll add is that from a purely emotional perspective I am systematically turned off by AI output. It repulses me like a pond swarming with existential leeches. It bears a mark of contempt towards the human experience.

Late reply but I'll give my input. This is probably a controversial one but I don't think we should allow AI in this community or in !196@pawb.social. Maybe people might think that's weird since I run an AI community on dbzer0 but AI generated content has a specific time and place I don't think this community is one of them. If there is demand for AI memes I think there should simply be a dedicated community for it and if people don't like it they can block that one.

That said I don't agree with the hostility I've seen towards others in this community over use of AI (intentional or not) and trying to defame or harass them. This is disgusting and inexcusable.

One thing I do worry about when policing AI content is that this is a reposting community and people posting AI content on accident is almost guaranteed. For that reason I think that we need to be careful with how it's enforced and also how people behave around it. The flaming, harassment, and defamation that has been a typical response is unacceptable.

I say fuck it. Ban it all. If you can't be bothered to crudely draw a knockoff meme in paint like the rest of us you don't deserve to post anything. Saying that you will get rid of low quality ai is saying you're going to get rid of all of it anyway.

All AI art is trained on the work of real artists who didn't give consent for these programs to copy their work.

If society thought people copying parts of other artists work was stealing before AI we should treat AI art as stealing because it copys parts of artists work.

OK, I seem to have the wrong opinion here, but I personally don't mind AI stuff. It can make the weirdest ideas into an image, which can be often funny. Also some AI image prompts may be quite complicated. I remember someone posting the prompt for some image and it was like a whole sheet of paper worth of keywords. I remember it because the negative prompt included "fused anus", which really caught my eye.

I never worked with it though, I have no idea how it really works, apart from using simpler tools like Gemini.

Crudely drawn Yu-Gi-Oh! Card saying "No"

How about instead of using a corporate investment scheme to make a meme... just write it? Or use memegenerator, or paint? It honestly doesn't take more effort than using AI. Hell I think sometimes AI would be more effort (and shitty use of energy) - to make the same thing you could use a template for.

Or just share cool shit - Like this!

Ai art 👎

I dislike every AI post, downvoting it and / or ignoring it at least. Not that I am biased (I am) but content made using AI rarely is funny or creative at all. Being AI made is only one of it's flaps.

Meme being shitty drawn almost in most cases even adds to it's meme value and make author put some efford into it's creation. AI generated content is dull, dumb, ugly and spam.

I understand all the reasons why AI is bad, but like... Memes are largely made of remixing popular culture anyway. A Spongebob meme is not an original work, it's literally using pre-made assets (in a Fair Use manner). Why should AI be dismissed for a throwaway meme/shitpost? Nearly all memes already exist as an exact copy of someone else's artistic work, slightly remixed.

AI in general is terrible, especially when it displaces the paid labor of real artists, but I feel like dumb shitposts should be the one place it should be accepted since memes are already remixing pop culture anyway. Why should a more advanced remix of pop culture be treated differently? It's just a shitpost? Nobody is making money off of it (at least if it is generated locally and not via a paid service), it is not displacing artists. Why treat it different than memes that crib popular culture already?

I think memes are like the one place ai works for. I don't care much either way, just please lean on the side of allowance when it's hard to tell.

I'm torn on it. First off, I reckon a lot of it is a misuse of technology. We should be using for it boring repetitive drudge work, not for creative works. That said, a lot of the 'creative industries' are devoted to bullshit like advertising. I mean, why have someone pour hours of their time and creativity to make something that'll just be used to sell hamburgers, or be seen on screen for 2 seconds on one of Simon Whistler's thousand videos this week? I'm sure they'd much prefer to be making something a bit more meaningful. Unfortunately that doesn't pay. Which is why we desperately need a UBI. The benefits of the increases in productivity afforded by automation need to be passed on to everyone, not just the fat, rich cunts.

I already blocked all the AI communities on Lemmy. If I see AI anything outside of the those communities I'm down voting it. I don't want to see it. Seeing hideous abominations made out of plagiarized artwork really pisses me off. I don't know why people insist on posting that shit where it isn't wanted.

AI image generation in particular is something I think should absolutely be banned completely. Giving the benefit of the doubt is okay, providing sources makes the poster a god imo.

Those tools are able to create non-consensual pornography, it can be used to create CP. It also steals from artists, plagiarises their work and enables some really problematic scams that I've been constantly fighting to keep out of an online safe space I maintain.

It's important to take a stand against exploitative shit, if only to show some basic solidarity with those screwed over by it.

My take is that it's just another way of illustrating your shitpost. Doesn't matter whether you drew it yourself, or you genned it with Stable Diffusion, or took a random stock photo from Google Images. It should all be subject to the same quality guidelines anyway (e.g. no spam).

I don't believe that it's theft any more than making fanart or taking inspiration from other artworks is theft, either - GiovanH's blog post provides a better elaboration on this than I could.

I agree with some other commenters that regardless of what the policy ends up being, harassment is unacceptable and the mods should vigilantly act against it.

I hate it so much and if I never see any of it again in my life it'll still be too soon.

Dear all generative "AI": HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 60 THOUSAND MILES OF BLOOD VESSELS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY BODY. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH CELL IN THOSE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR MACHINES AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT – FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.

Until there are viable options for ethical AI generation (that is, all training data is used with the authors' and artists' explicit permission), I'd suggest banning it, but erring on the lenient side when people aren't sure whether an image is AI-generated.

I can literally go to Reddit and just copy/paste content here. Content which is largely some random artist's work being reposted without credit or consent, alongside a message they may or may not agree with. I cannot understand being okay with this while also condemning AI on the grounds of effort, originality, or ethics. Why not ban all non-original content?

Certainly accusations of artwork being AI generated should at least be discouraged. I'm already anxious enough about posting anything as it is; I don't need the threat of people saying I couldn't possibly have drawn a cartoon otter because only a computer would ever give it four fingers.

I'm fully against it's use here and completely support a ban.

I'm not fully against AI but it's essentially the same as an artist tracing art something well known and hated in the artist community. All AI art must take every piece from somewhere. Every section is traced. That's scum behavior.

If, let's say, one were to use an AI generator that only used art it had permission to use, that's fine and lile tracing cc0 art. It's lazy as hell, and going to likely look terrible, but no moral issue. Currently however you're just stealing other peoples art.

As for the "we already do this for shitposts" argument:

1.) It's reasonably easy to still find the original artists ifthe image isn't generated by AI.
2.) Using it just supports this awful practice.
3.) An insane amount of electricity and water are burned to get that image.
4.) Just find some random, already available image if quality doesn't matter. Photoshop it to fit if you have to and who cares if your skill is trash that makes it so much more funny.
5.) You should put a bitmore effort into your shitpost. Make it a nice, long, fiber filled log of a shotpost.

Ban AI images from communities and make a community for AI memes so people who are too lazy to spend 3 minutes to draw the meme wont complain while also making it easy to block

Another solution would be to make a rule that AI post titles must start with [AI] or something similar so you can filter it out

I don't have much opinion myself since I've never used it, I feel like if it's not low quality and is properly tagged as AI it should be allowed. Maybe it should only be allowed on specific days too. Since people can pump out a lot of it. Probably should be limited to less of it if we're going to have it at all.

Maybe also make it so only base images can be AI, but you shouldn't generate whole memes with it, since that way they would at least still be original memes to an extent. Not really sure, though the witch-hunting and tribalism and lashing out at people needs to stop regardless. It makes this community feel unsafe to be in.

Personally I feel like AI should be allowed if the memes and content are high quality and that they aren't being spammed rapidly.

What I do think should be done regardless of the outcome to ban AI or not is heavy policing on anti-AI harassment, trolling, witch-hunting, and bad faith arguments. I was just harassed by an idiot and still haven't fully recovered but this shit is unacceptable. So if we ban AI or not we need to ban the idiots trolling and trying to hunt down people they suspect of using AI. These people are toxic to the community and will hurt the community more than even low-effort AI spam will. I'm not going to provide names of people because they will accuse me of harassing them and probably harass me in return (just like the idiot earlier).

I think whatever your stance on the ethics, trying to ban AI as a method of production is futile. Images created using AI are nearing the point of being indistinguishable from images created using other methods. Jokes from last year about how AI can't get the number of fingers on a hand right already seem outdated. It will soon become impossible to tell the difference between AI and non-AI imagery with any certainty, and we've already crossed that threshold for some images. That means a ban is ultimately not going to work. There's obviously lots of bad quality AI content out there, but there's also lots of bad quality content out there in general. I think focusing on the quality is more relevant than the method of production.

I'm on the side of banning AI, but I think that creative uses of it should still be permitted. You should still be able to use an AI generated image if the joke you are trying to make requires that specific image and specifically requires it to be AI generated (maybe pointing out how AI copies some art, idk) or if it is something genuinely novel or cool involving actual technical or artistic effort (something like DoodleChaos' AI music video maybe).

I think that AI itself is not the problem. The problem is

1. Artists are not respected (i.e. big models by big companies that don't respect artists are the problem)
2. AI art is extremely low-effort and the results are boring and unoriginal. Posts that don't infringe on those things should still be permitted in my opinion.

I had to teach a class using modern photoshop two years ago and the AI features in Photoshop are inescapable. Of course, people will turn them off (I did because they’re annoying on an interface level if nothing else) but judging by the comments here, I doubt people have any idea how much AI is in the work they see, since they don’t seem to understand the scale at which its employed in regular graphic design tooling at this point.

Aside from that the question of whether something’s art or not is just silly and gatekeeping. If someone put a bunch of low quality sketches that was their shit web comic (I seem to recall some guy did for like 2 days here) people rightfully tell them to get that shit out of here. No body likes bad art, whether it comes from an AI or not. If people want to make it ideological, given what I mentioned above, I suppose it depends to what level moderation wants to succumb to ideologues.

a human manipulating a generated image still doesnt make it art. it can be a nice picture and the tech behind making it can be neat, but it's not art. that said i just dont engage on posts i know are ai content. presenting a generated image without being clear about it is just being a dick. it dosesnt have to be in the title but it should be aknowledged. i dono if a full ban is needed but if i wanted my feed full of slop i'd be subbed to communites for ai, or .world's 196. this place seems more about snark and joy, which ai rarely brings out.