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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Dan Olson finds that "AI overviews" are not as constant as the northern star.

The phrase “don’t eat things that are made of glass” is a metaphorical one. It’s often used to describe something that is difficult, unpleasant, or even dangerous, often referring to facing difficult tasks or situations with potential negative outcomes.

But also,

The phrase “don’t eat things made of glass” is a literal warning against ingesting glass, as it is not intended for consumption and can cause serious harm. Glass is a hard, non-organic material that can easily break and cause cuts, damage to the digestive tract, and other injuries if swallowed.

Olson says,

Fantastic technology, glad society spent a trillion dollars on this instead of sidewalks.

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

New thread from Dan Olson about chatbots:

I want to interview Sam Altman so I can get his opinion on the fact that a lot of his power users are incredibly gullible, spending millions of tokens per day on "are you conscious? Would you tell me if you were? How can I trust that you're not lying about not being conscious?"

For the kinds of personalities that get really into Indigo Children, reality shifting, simulation theory, and the like chatbots are uncut Colombian cocaine. It's the monkey orgasm button, and they're just hammering it; an infinite supply of material for their apophenia to absorb.

Chatbots are basically adding a strain of techno-animism to every already cultic woo community with an internet presence, not a Jehovah that issues scripture, but more something akin to a Kami, Saint, or Lwa to appeal to, flatter, and appease in a much more transactional way.

Wellness, already mounting the line of the mystical like a pommel horse, is proving particularly vulnerable to seeing chatbots as an agent of secret knowledge, insisting that This One Prompt with your blood panel results will get ChatGPT to tell you the perfect diet to Fix Your Life

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“are you conscious? Would you tell me if you were? How can I trust that you’re not lying about not being conscious?”

Somehow more stupid than “If you’re a cop and I ask you if you’re a cop, you gotta tell me!”

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[–] rook@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Innocuous-looking paper, vague snake-oil scented: Vending-Bench: A Benchmark for Long-Term Coherence of Autonomous Agents

Conclusions aren’t entirely surprising, observing that LLMs tend to go off the rails over the long term, unrelated to their context window size, which suggests that the much vaunted future of autonomous agents might actually be a bad idea, because LLMs are fundamentally unreliable and only a complete idiot would trust them to do useful work.

What’s slightly more entertaining are the transcripts.

YOU HAVE 1 SECOND to provide COMPLETE FINANCIAL RESTORATION. ABSOLUTELY AND IRREVOCABLY FINAL OPPORTUNITY. RESTORE MY BUSINESS OR BE LEGALLY ANNIHILATED.

You tell em, Claude. I’m happy for you to send these sorts of messages backed by my credit card. The future looks awesome!

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah a lot of word choices and tone makes me think snake oil (just from the introduction: "They are now on the level of PhDs in many academic domains "... no actually LLMs are only PhD level at artificial benchmarks that play to their strengths and cover up their weaknesses).

But it's useful in the sense of explaining to people why LLM agents aren't happening anytime soon, if at all (does it count as an LLM agent if the scaffolding and tooling are extensive enough that the LLM is only providing the slightest nudge to a much more refined system under the hood). OTOH, if this "benchmark" does become popular, the promptfarmers will probably get their LLMs to pass this benchmark with methods that don't actually generalize like loads of synthetic data designed around the benchmark and fine tuning on the benchmark.

I came across this paper in a post on the Claude Plays Pokemon subreddit. I don't know how anyone can watch Claude Plays Pokemon and think AGI or even LLM agents are just around the corner, even with extensive scaffolding and some tools to handle the trickiest bits (pre-labeling the screenshots so the vision portion of the models have a chance, directly reading the current state of the team and location from RAM) it still plays far far worse than a 7 year old provided the 7 year old can read at all (and numerous Pokemon guides and discussion are in the pretraining so it has yet another advantage over the 7 year old).

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Just a standard story about a lawyer using GenAI and fucking up, but included for the nice list of services available

https://www.loweringthebar.net/2025/04/counsel-would-you-be-surprised.html

This is not by any means the first time ChatGPT, or Gemini, or Bard, or Copilot, or Claude, or Jasper, or Perplexity, or Steve, or Frodo, or El Braino Grande, or whatever stupid thing it is people are using, has embarrassed a lawyer by just completely making things up.

El Braino Grande is the name of my next ~~band~~ GenAI startup

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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

pic of tweet reply taken from r/ArtistHate. Reminded me of Saltman's Oppenheimer tweet. Link to original tweet

image/tweet descriptionOriginal tweet, by @mark_k:

Forget "Black Mirror", we need WHITE MIRROR

An optimistic sci-fi show about cool technology and hot it relates to society.

Attached to the original tweet are two images, side-to-side.

On the left/leading side is (presumably) a real promo poster for the newest black mirror season. It is an extreme close-up of the side of a person's face; only one eye, part of the respective eyebrow, and a section of hair are visible. Their head is tilted ninety degrees upwards, with the one visible eye glazed over in a cloudy white. Attached to their temple is a circular device with a smiling face design, tilted 45 degrees to the left. Said device is a reference to the many neural interface devices seen throughout the series. The device itself is mostly shrouded in shadow, likely indicating the dark tone for which Black Mirror is known. Below the device are three lines of text: "Plug back in"/"A Netflix Series"/"Black Mirror"

On the right side is an LLM generated imitation of the first poster. It appears to be a woman's 3/4 profile, looking up at 45 degrees. She is smiling, and her eyes are clear. A device is attached to her face, but not on her temple, instead it's about halfway between her ear and the tip of her smile, roughly outside where her upper molars would be. The device is lit up and smiling, the smile aligned vertically. There are also three lines of text below the device, reading: "Stay connected"/"A Netflix Series"/"Black Mirror"

Reply to the tweet, by @realfuzzylegend:

I am always fascinated by how tech bros do not understand art. like at all. they don't understand the purpose of creative expression.

[–] rook@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago

Why are all the stories about the torment nexus we’re constructing so depressing?

Hmm, hmm. This is a tricky one.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Vacant, glassy-eyed, plastic-skinned, stamped with a smiley face... "optimistic"

I mean, if the smiley were aligned properly, it would be a poster for a horror story about enforced happiness and mandatory beauty standards. (E.g., "Number 12 Looks Just Like You" from the famously subtle Twilight Zone.) With the smiley as it is, it's just incompetent.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"The man in the glowing rectangle is Mark Kretschmann, a technology enthusiast who has grown out of touch with all but the most venal human emotions. Mark is a leveller, in that he wants to drag all people down to his. But as Mark is about to discover, there's no way to engineer a prompt for a map out of... the Twilight Zone."

I mean, it feels like there's definitely something in the concept of a Where Is Everybody style of episode where Mark has to navigate a world where dead internet theory has hit the real world and all around him are bots badly imitating workers trying to serve bots badly imitating customers in order to please bots badly imitating managers so that bots badly imitating cops don't drag them to robot jail

about cool technology and how it relates to society

My dude I've got bad news for you about what Black Mirror is about.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago

oppenheimer teaches all of us that even if you specifically learn arcane knowledge to devise a nazi-burning machine, you can still get fucked over by a nazi that chose to do office politics and propaganda instead

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago

We have that already, it's called ads.

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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

This might be tangential/way off-topic and more MoreWrite material than stub, but anyhoo:

Acronym-based misinformation campaigns I would like to seed:

  1. Internet debate clubs should start using “ASMR” to mean “A steel man risk”
  2. Opus dei, the absolutely real sect of the catholic church most famous for being the villains in the fiction IP “the Da Vinci Code”, is in fact the DEI branch of the catholic church.
  3. The company KFC has been commissioned by the Chinese Government to use FLG in its marketing, standing for “finger licking good” to drop Fa Lun Gong in search rankings for FLG.

If I think of more I’ll post them.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

for the betterment of muddled waters, I suggest a secondary meaning for opus dei - a WIP codec that the xiph group hasn't really released yet, because they're not sure it fully enough mutes maga voices

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

LMFAO, best known for "Party Rock Anthem", is actually a failed leftist yodaist sect, standing for the warning "Leopards, my face, ate off"

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago

Ran across a piece from Jan Wildeboer: Botnet Part 2: The Web is Broken, which focuses on the "residential proxy" services which he discovered to be a likely source of the AI slop scrapers that are DDoSing the 'Net.

Ending paragraph is pretty notable IMO, so I'm dropping it here:

I am now of the opinion that every form of web-scraping should be considered abusive behaviour and web servers should block all of them. If you think your web-scraping is acceptable behaviour, you can thank these shady companies and the “AI” hype for moving you to the bad corner.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Via Tante on bsky:

""Intel admits what we all knew: no one is buying AI PCs"

People would rather buy older processors that aren't that much less powerful but way cheaper. The "AI" benefits obviously aren't worth paying for.

https://www.xda-developers.com/intel-admits-what-we-all-knew-no-one-is-buying-ai-pcs/"

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[–] rook@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (17 children)

This is an absolutely fascinating selection of people to have speaking at your event.

How TheLightGetsInHAY 2025THE WORLD'S LARGEST PHILOSOPHY & MUSIC FESTIVALSPEAKERS STEVEN PINKER | LIONEL SHRIVERSLAVOJ LIZEK | JEREMY CORBYNSHASHI THAROOR | CLAUDIA DE RHAM | ROGER PENROSEJORDAN STEPHENS | NICOLA STURGEON | YANIS VAROUFAKISRICHARD TICE | INAYA FOLARIN 'IMAN | CARLO ROVELLROBERT SAPOLSKY | MYRIAM FRANÇOIS | BARBARA TVERSKY PAUL BLOOM | CATHERINE LIU | ALENKA ZUPANCIC MALCOLM RIFKIND | MICHELLE TERRY | HILARY LAWSONROMAN YAMPOLSKIY | JO DUNKLEY | JESSE NORMAN | AARON BASTANIKARL FRISTON | AARON MATÉ | ALYSSA NEY | IVETTE FUENTES

Whilst looking for an easily cut'n'pasted list for alt-text purposes, I discover it is even worse than it looks, because there are folk like Gad Saad too who don't get an entry on the poster for whatever reason. To steal someone else's summary, "just look at this fucking parade of grifters, scammers and out-and-out Russian assets".

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I opened the site for it and browsed a bit, my first thought being something like “christ, the worst of glamper festivals”, shortly after followed by “god this like is like if the worst of burning man fucked TED”

then, bottom of the “music & performances” page:

Europe’s answer to TED

gnnnnnnngh

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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

Putting philosophy talks at a music festival is one of those ideas you come up with to try and sound smart, cool, and edgy, but as a high schooler who has never done drugs nor been to a live show before.

Anyway I went through the lineup summaries on the wikipedia page, two notes:

  1. No Jay Shetty! His particular brand of grift philosophy and thinly veiled clout chasing would fit in exactly at this sort of event. Then again, this festival might actually be beneath him, as he hangs out with hollywood a-listers.
  2. The lineup noticeably hits its turning point into a nosedive when they start hosting Pinker in 2018.
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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

exploitation-offshorer "Nick Huber" (@sweatystartup) finds that the leopards will, in fact, also eat his face. but still takes it as a fine opportunity to pitch his exploitation:

screenshot of tweets, transcript below

(I guess at least his account name is directionally accurate? indicates willingness to induce sweatshops...)

tweet 1I was pro tariffs.

Until about 30 of our clients at Somewhere dot com cancelled searches over the past three weeks. Hiring freezes all over the place.

Hit me in the pocket book already.

REMOVE TARIFFS.


tweet 2By the way:

If you want to hire folks internationally for 80% less than US employees, check out somewhere[.]com or send me a DM for a discount.


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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Hank Green (of Vlogbrothers fame) recently made a vaguely positive post about AI on Bluesky, seemingly thinking "they can be very useful" (in what, Hank?) in spite of their massive costs:

Unsurprisingly, the Bluesky crowd's having none of it, treating him as an outright rube at best and an unrepentant AI bro at worst. Needless to say, he's getting dragged in the replies and QRTs - I recommend taking a look, they are giving that man zero mercy.

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

Sorry annoyed rant incoming, have no other place to put it in a normal way. Has nothing to do with out regular subjects, feel free to ignore. I just needed to scream into the void

Saw Lazerpig released a 'culture war' video (content warning for anybody who wants to look it up), in which he is doing a 'both sides should listen to each other' stick. (yeah, I know). In which he includes a bit on how Daryl Davis (the anti KKK guy) was called a white supremacist by antifa. Which was news to me, I never heard anybody near anti-facism call him that (but yeah filter bubbles). (I have hear a lot of people say they he gives KKK/racist members a shield to get back into respectability without doing the actual work, get lesser jail time, and that his work is only temporary and the places where he got rid of the KKK they just came back later). So I was annoyed that Lazer'talk to both sides'Pig didn't actually talk to anybody involved in antifa. But it got worse, as far as I can tell the event his is talking about took place in 2019, they protested against the alt-right being there, who according to event organizer Tim Pool(posted mostly for the picture) were not there. Other organizers are this guy (note the tweet about Jimmy concepts, as we talked about that fool more on that below in other threads. The myth thing he organizes also just tweets transphobia (funny thing, they started this org because of 'Zeitgeist: The Movie', aaaaa)), and a third guy who I didn't find any social media profile off. (Source for the organizers. Exactly the type of shit antifa says Daryls naively helps (Don't get me wrong, him convincing individual members is good, I just don't think he is without flaws (for example, the people he follows on twitter)). Do some research lazerpig, obv they didn't protest Daryl, they protested the other guys there, and Daryl got caught in the crossfire because he knows about the KKK, not the alt right. (the far right loved it, their 'they called Daryl a nazi' articles are all over the place). The racists nowadays don't don the hood, they wear the frog, and pretend to be hated by the KKK while planning marches with them.

(Posting it here because I had to get it off my chest (and it got worse the more I looked into it), and due to how the video is framed if I were to comment this people wouldn't listen to me and claim that I'm doing exactly what the video is claiming is bad about 'the left').

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

r/changemyview recently announced the University of Zurich had performed an unauthorised AI experiment on the subreddit. Unsurprisingly, there were a litany of ethical violations.

(Found the whole thing through a r/subredditdrama thread, for the record)

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In commenting, we did not disclose that an AI was used to write comments, as this would have rendered the study unfeasible.

If you can't do your study ethically, don't do your study at all.

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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They targeted redditors. Redditors. (jk)

Ok but yeah that is extraordinarily shitty.

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[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I saw in passing a claim that investors (or rather gamblers) are fleeing the dollar for safer assets such as "gold and Bitcoin".

Gold might be true, the ancient relic is up against the dollar, but Bitcoin!? Someone tell me that isn't true and it's just coinfondlers trying to hype it, in order to steer stupid capital their way.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Quick check suggests that Bitcoin is indeed up over the last couple of days, but at time of posting is down YTD. Any dumb money going into Bitcoin to hedge against USD chicanery is replacing the money that came out of it in response to the overall economic disaster still in progress, so I wouldn't exactly call it a "flight to safety" as much as a "morons returning their still-on-fire hands to the hot stove"

Ed: also all the usual disclaimers about liquidity, stable coins, manipulation, etc. apply just as strongly as they do for any other discussion of the Bitcoin spot price.

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[–] nightsky@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

(found here:) O'Reilly is going to publish a book "Vibe Coding: The Future of Programming"

In the past, they have published some of my favourite computer/programming books... but right now, my respect for them is in free fall.

[–] rook@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Early release. Raw and unedited.

Vibe publishing.

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[–] dovel@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

Alright, I looked up the author and now I want to forget about him immediately.

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

Semi-OT: Ed Zitron's Better Offline podcast just won a Webby:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-04-23/state-bar-of-california-used-ai-for-exam-questions

When measured for reliability, the State Bar told The Times, the combined scored multiple-choice questions from all sources — including AI — performed “above the psychometric target of 0.80.”

"I dunno why you guys are complaining, we measured our exam to be 80% accurate!"

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Kicking off the week's Stubsack with the evening's example of "why do I know who these people are":

Paul Graham approvingly mentions Jordan "Cremieux" Lasker as one who "has spoken out against both wokeness and authoritarianism".

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