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Feel bad for that flying squid guy, he moved him and his daughter out there for better trans rights and now it's getting as bad as US
I think about him from time to time. I thought it was because his daughter is a lesbian, though? Unless I'm mistaken. Didn't really stalk the guy.
Squid's been AWOL for over a month now. Hope that he's OK.
Same, and his daughter
Dunno why there'll be a need to segregate single units. I think all bathrooms should be single units.
Single use are more expensive, but absolutely the only right way to make a bathroom. We all deserve to shit in peace!
Exactly. I hate urinals. Never used them except times of desperation. Too exposed.
So should we all be making sure the mixed sex toilets are the most used until they need more mixed than single to cope?
I think we should just get rid of all public toilets. Everyone doing their business out in the open obviates all questions of segregation and means there will be witnesses if anyone gets out of hand. We could still have dedicated areas for it, perhaps in places like Kensington & Chelsea.
We should not forget the original aim of the ruling which is genocide. That last part about introducing mixed-sex toilets in thanks to public protests. They work. Keep up with public protests until the ruling is reversed.
I like your sentiment but you're really watering down the term genocide here
When the word was originally coined, it was intended to include forced assimilation, as was attempted on the Dutch, Flemish, Luxembourgish etc. under German occupation in world war 2.
What ethnic group is being systematically murdered here?
Not an ethnic group but transgender people are the targets of genocide. It doesn't start with systematic killings. It ends there, and denying them medical treatment is already systemic killing, only indirect.
Edit: I'm not able to reply to this person's reply for some reason (did they block me?) so I instead paste it below:
We are currently on stages 3, 4 and 6 of genocide. The point is to identify them before they get to stage 9.
Genocide refers to the systemic forced killing or forced sterilisation of an ethnic group.
Transgender people in the United Kingdom are entitled to the same medical treatment as everybody else. They have a right to life and a right to reproduce and are not forcibly sterilised.
Genocide refers to the systemic forced killing or forced sterilisation of an ethnic group.
Genocide doesn't have to be killings or sterilisation. It can be any action with the intention of destroying a group, in whole or in part.
It also doesn't only apply to ethnic groups.
Unless this whole thing can be classified as a religious group? Some people act in that way about it
So you acknowledge you were wrong then? It's not strictly about killing or sterilisation, not is it strictly down to ethnic groups.
Thank you for proving me right 👍
No, we're both wrong here at best. It doesn't include sexual orientation or gender identity
If taken beyond interim guidance and made statutory, it would be the biggest human rights disaster since racial segregation and apartheid.
What?
When black people couldn't use the same bathrooms as white folk. Here, Trans women including those post op for 20 - 30 years are not allowed to use the women's bathroom and have to use the men's. Likewise, a trans man, born woman, that has been a man for decades has to use the women's bathroom.
Wasn't sure it needed to be spelt out, but needs to be to understand how ridiculous all this is (because of a court case in Scotland about women's representation on boards). Shocking how many rights got trashed with that and how many transhobic politicians got excited.
I think it's like comparing apples and oranges.
Trans women including those post op for 20 - 30 years are not allowed to use the women's bathroom and have to use the men's.
According to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom, you have to be born as a woman in order to be a woman.
According to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom, you have to be born as a woman in order to be a woman.
This isn't accurate, the SC ruled that the only consistent definition of woman for the purposes of the 2010 Equalities Act is a 'biological woman'*. A trans woman with a GRC is still legally a woman, she's just not afforded the protections graned to women in the Equalities Act. (This is a crock of shit, but I'll spare you that rant)
* You might wonder how the SC actually defines 'biological woman' and it has nothing to actually do with biology, it's just if you originally had woman marked down on you birth certificate.
Ty for the correction!
A court I'd not heard about until now, for a case funded by a transphobe who writes shitty wizard books.
To go further, I think the judgement is wrong and probably has their own biases shining through.
I think it is hard to see injustice if you do not want to see it.
That's your opinion in which I respect, but comparing such a thing to apartheid is a bit of a stretch, and I'd strongly recommend against such a thing.
Trans people are slowly having their rights eroded and you’re arguing about the definition of genocide, from that instance.
They have the same rights as everybody else
If you don’t see this as taking away of trans rights and a reduction of social acceptance, you’re part of the problem.
This is why I can't take stuff like this seriously these days