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Private property? Freedom of speech? Freedom to breed? Freedom of thought?...

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[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Billionaires, to the god Quetzalcoatl.

I think we could sacrifice billionaires to Peppa Pig and it'd still get the job done.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm the guy dancing in this image

[–] TheGuyTM3@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Hey can you tell me what’s the source of this please? Seems interesting

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Apocalypto

2006 film

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[–] Nemoder@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Convenience.
Sadly it is something far fewer people are willing to give up than any of the above.

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It really depends on the kind of convenience.

Some conveniences are easier to give up, especially if giving them up will benefit others.

[–] a_new_sad_me@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Example: if we are willing to walk around with smartphones that are 5mm thicker and 50g heavier, and a bit less slick in design, we can fix them instead of buying new ones. This kind of things. And we are not even willing to give that up.

This guy speaks about this (I'm not sure if this is the right video)

https://youtu.be/nrv45bvP8qo

[–] lattrommi@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Who is "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket or something? I absolutely would make that sacrifice. I hate smartphones. I didn't own one until 2020 and only ended up with it because some scumbag salesman tricked my aging mom into buying it and adding a new number on her account under contract. So she gave it to me. I wish smartphones would go away. They are as "smart" as AI is "intelligent". I've gone without a car most of my life, i've never had netflix/instagram/amazon/twitter/etc accounts, I didn't have internet for the first 15 years as an adult and I am ready to give these things I have now that I don't want, which are somehow mandatory to participate in life these days. The prospect of getting rid of it all and trying my hand at hermit life or as a hobo grow stronger every day.

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the ability to lie and "falsely claim".

imagine everybody is stricken with that boy's wish from "liar liar"

sure there would be a bunch of hurt feelings, but maybe the better world can compensate?

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Conservatives.

[–] Majestic@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago

Private property isn't a sacrifice. I don't own any.

There's a difference between personal property and private property. Private property is a mall, is a factory, is machinery at your workplace. Personal property is your toothbrush, your Playstation, your Television, your blender, your set of German knives, your computer, your books, etc.

Freedom of speech has never existed. The illusion of it has been allowed to be stronger or weaker in various places at various times, if your speech is no threat it's often allowed, it's when it's a threat that suddenly the freedom vanishes and hides behind excuses like national security or illegal ideologies, etc.

I question how you would get rid of freedom of thought without some sort of hellish brain implants being made mandatory so it's an odd thing to mention.

I'd be willing to sacrifice an awful lot of fascists, reactionaries, and an awful lot of enabling liberals. I'd be willing to sacrifice bourgeoisie. The expropriation of their private property is not a sacrifice but a necessity for things being held in common trust for the people.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

The landlords.

There are a lot of them so it would be exhausting work to behead them all myself but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

A better world wouldn’t require sacrificing freedoms.

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[–] Terevos@lemm.ee 11 points 2 weeks ago

It won't be a better world if there's no private property or freedom of speech or freedom to breed or freedom of thought.

The instant these freedoms are forfeited, the world becomes worse.

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Every last person working to make it a worse world.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Out of the ones you listed, freedom to breed

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 3 points 2 weeks ago

Provided they don't touch freedom to not breed, and we don't put racist ducks in charge, I think that works be the easiest for me to bear.

But I don't want kids, so it's not much of a sacrifice.

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[–] LucJenson@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

I don't particularly want to be remembered for anything in my life. I don't need fame or standing. I dedicate my life to trying to improve people's lives as a teacher. I'd give my life if it meant everyone would live a significantly better life forever.

[–] dzso@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'd sacrifice social media algorithms. Delete them all.

[–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Also ban advertisements

[–] rainrain@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

A sacrifice is something you like and want to keep, but you're going to give it up for a higher good.

Yeah, a lot of these are just things that the commenter obviously wants to get rid of. It would be more of a "2 birds, one stone" than an actual sacrifice.

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[–] DerArzt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Some billionaires

[–] nicgentile@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Vanity projects.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How much better we talking here?

[–] rainrain@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Super better. All the important stuff free and top quality. Moonbase.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

I'll let you have my cats but you have to take both because they're family. And I get to visit.

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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

How much better of a world? I'd be happy with half of what I have if it meant literally everyone else in the world could have that much, certainly. Move 4 more people into the house and give up half the money, half the clothes, my car, of course I would do that if it brought the same level of wealth to every single person, it would be not great at first but wow can you imagine how fast it would get better, if nobody was terribly poor? I'd bet that by the time I was old we'd personally be better off than before the split.

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Trump.

Edit: QuarterSwede beat me to it, so I'll go for Musk as a close second.

[–] ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

The trump family grifters and all their sycophantic (lookin' at you Lindsay Graham) enablers

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

my chains. i've nothing else to lose.

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[–] NastyNative@mander.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago

We dont need to give up anything we just need change. Regulations are what keeps capitalism from killing us all and this planet. We have allowed deregulation to put us in this spot and its going to get worst.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's hard to imagine a world with no freedom of thought being better, somehow.

In practice, I doubt we'll ever have to sacrifice much more than we already have. (Which is actually a significant amount. For example, until recent history living on a schedule was for ascetics and flagellants)

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A better world would imply that its better even when considering the sacrifice, meaning that any sacrifice would be worth it

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, in an overall sense yes, but that's like saying climbing Everest is easy because on average the world has very little elevation change.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

My car and my motorcycle. The motorcycle in particular hurts a bit more because that leans more into the sport and pleasure (cars do it for me too, but I like the MC more). I live in the US so no decent public transport for me. I'd have to walk about a half mile to get to the closest stop to my house. Closest drop off to my work still means another walk of two miles. Side walks are a bit lacking too. Not to mention that the scheduled for the bus is a bit too limited for what I need.

I love driving for fun, in particular on the MC, but that is getting to. Having to? That sucks and is kind of bad for the environment.

[–] DevotedOtter@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

Those are all things that can make a better society. Why do they need to be given up?

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Private property. I don't actually want to own things for the sake of owning things, I want a stable and reasonably comfortable life. In the current system, the only way to reliably achieve that is to own the things you need in your life. But if the system were such that you could live a decent life without owning a thing, I'll take that.

And that is with the interpretation of private property as literally any possession you can own. If we go by the socialist interpretation of private property as property used to generate capital, I already have no private property and neither do most people here.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
  1. The concept of a family
  2. Freedom to pick your own job (Government assigned positions)
  3. Ability for me to be anything above lower-class
  4. Nationalism and pride in a Culture
  5. Accelerated Global Warming
  6. My intelligence becoming below average
  7. Every human lifespan is halved
  8. Research of Space and Regression of Rocket Technology (forever sub-sound)
[–] hbar@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Burger King's Chicken fries

[–] fakir@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

If you're not free, the world isn't free.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Nice try conservative policy maker!

[–] obscureprodigy@pawb.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

emotionally, i want to say any and everything including my life, but i know that is merely talk until i have something deadly to face. however, i truly believe there isn't a single human rights issue not deserving of risking it all. but i am cowardly because i am fearful and insecure. i don't believe in myself although i try to. i have given up personal comforts for those i don't know and my friends, but am i ready to face something as severe as prison or being sent to a camp? i want to say "yes, of course," but.. idk. i know if our culture became more radical and revolutionary then i would feel ideological support from those around me and would be more willing to engage.

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