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I think OP means "just work" as in the OS is preinstalled. Framework do support Linux but they don't preinstall a distro for you.
Having said that, I've got a Framework 16 and it's very nice.
Came here to say this. I really like mine.
Came to evangelize about our lord and savior used thinkpads
I still remember the good old IBM Thinkpads, most of them were indestructible tanks. But with Lenovo, those times are long over. My last machine was a TP L390 Yoga. It overheated frequently, the cooling system was inadequate for the 4.6GHz Intel CPU, one day the logo sticker came off because the glue turned into sticky liquid, the passive Micro-Ethernet dongle cost 50β¬ and the cable turned into glue after a few months...god, what a shit machine this was.
I was able to work with it for a while by limiting and undervolting the CPU, but one day a Windows update came out that disabled the functionality and it worked like crap on Linux for a long time due to bad drivers.
I switched to GPD now. Never going back, although I miss the Trackpoint a little bit.
T and P series is aparently good, normal L is decent, but others are terrible (yoga, x, ideapad, etc.). But I haven't used TP-s myself. I did use an Ideapad and it's terrible (no upgradability, falling apart metal chassis (how the hell does metal break), no key-travel (feels like hitting a rock while typing) and it has a shitload of mediatek hardware which is a pain on linux (but I haven't tested it as it's my dad's).
I'm here to evangelize coreboot and Talos and Framework for those with more money than you and I
Talos... are you running kubernetes for your laptop you mad lad? Also, not aware that the coreboot is ready yet for any of the non-chromebook machines. (Edit: meant coreboot for Framework laptops)
oh i use coreboot on an old thinkpad daily, it's completely fine
I had a thinkpad for YEARS running various flavours of Debian / Ubuntu. It never had an issue with drivers and even the fingerprint sensor worked out of the box.
The battery was shot to hell, the hinge was gone, it was time to upgrade. So I bought an ideapad. Thereβs something funky with the audio quality on Linux and the fingerprint scanner is now a face scanner camera. Howdy is not easy to configure and Iβm pretty sure I can trick it with a photo.
Thatβs a long way of me saying I have buyers remorse and not all Lenovos are made equal :(
Computers are fine yes, but I'm still waiting for a Linux phone with not-shit specs LMAO
Every 6 months I check to see if theyβve figured out VOLTE on PostmarketOS, or Sailfish (my dream OS tbh) on community ports. And then I cry and angrily tell people how Microsoft destroyed Meego until Iβm told to hush
The Software isn't fully there yet for mass adoption (Your mileage may vary, but the general expectations for a modern daily driver are pretty high), at least not for anyone but enthusiasts and developers. If there's something like a PinePhone 2 it will probably yet again designed to be relatively cheap despite low production volume, so as many potential developers as possible can afford one.
If it can handle my banking app (local credit union) and occasionally play YouTube I'm good tbh
A lot of financial apps require Play Protect and attestation. I had to fight for months to figure out how to spoof the integrity check so I could deposit some stupid checks.
I have so much shit in place because of my root its ridiculous, Magisk + Modules, LSPosed, Shizuku (for those apps that detect if devtools is enabled), HideMyApplist and probably at least 2 more im forgetting
It honestly might be cheaper to get a piece of shit phone and keep it squeaky clean for our overlords
I get by pretty well just using my bank's website. If you need the bank's app for something like occasionally depositing checks, maybe you could keep your old phone in a drawer with your checkbook.
I think what people mean when they say this is that they are looking for the same price point as the equivalent Windows device... I don't know all these companies but every time I looked for a Linux PC/laptop it was 25-30% more expensive than the equivalent Windows thing.
As much as I like my Tuxedo, I probably would not have bought it if I had known that the ethernet card and some laptop essentials dont work without their drivers, which have not been upstreamed. Due to this, I can't use my distro of choice (Bluefin) OR run with secure boot and LUKS with tpm unlock even on regular Fedora
What Ethernet chip do they use?
I've got a Framework 16 and all components work on both Fedora and Debian without installing custom drivers, so I'm surprised it's still an issue for some laptops.
Do you know if that's still the case on their new systems?
I'm currently waiting for next gen GPUs to become available and have been leaning towards Tuxedo
I'm using an Infinitybook Pro 14 gen 9. It came out last year.
You will most likely need the "tuxedo-drivers" package, but whether you'll need an ethernet driver too depends on the hardware they choose.
At least they publish their drivers for both RPM and DEB systems, so that makes it a bit less painful.
Of course, none of this applies if you use their distro. There, everything is pre-installed and configured for their laptops
True enough. I likely will just stick with the stock system.
all of them are a joke in canada
edit: in case this rubs someone the wrong way its a joke to my wallet/my wallet is the joke
It's important to note that if you don't already have a computer, ordering one without an os installed is a problem.
So some people gotta have something, if only to download and install their distro of choice. So, even a bad distro is better than nothing occasionally
Framework as wellβeverything just works.
I recently discovered framework-tool, which is a mindblowing level of integration with Linux.
Thank you! This is awesome:
Get and set fingerprint LED brightness (--fp-brightness, --fp-led-level)
I have a GPD Win Max 2 2024 and it's such an amazing device. Everything works ootb on Fedora, except the FP reader (but that's already being worked on). Raytracing on a 10" device, what a time to be alive.
It's also very easy to disassemble, clean and repair.
So GPD definitely wins in my book.
Just got a HP pavilion for free. On the other side of everything here. Fucking want to go postal on them. Bios so fucked up I can't get Linux to run with full disk encryption. Buggy, acpi errors. Support"not our problem it works with windows" ..
Hm, I had a 250 g5 and it ran linux instantly after install (in ~2018-19).
HP has been awful about that forever. I slapped Linux on one maybe 15 years ago and it was a nightmare
Does Framework sell a laptop with Linux pre-installed or do they only have officially supported distros?
Ships with windows or blank disk (selectable). Ubuntu/mint/fedora are officially supported but you could install other distros like arch
Still not shipping with something.
I'd only wipe it anyway.
Me too, and have done it in the past on one laptop that I did get with Linux when there was no bring-your-own option, but I suppose that OP's got a point
there are people out there for whom installing the OS on a blank laptop is going to be intimidating.
If you've installed an OS a zillion times, this is all old hat. If you never have before, probably feels kind of scary.
For those people, having a preinstalled OS can be a significant value-add.
You can buy no OS. Or even no included drive. You'll save on having to pay the Windows license.
Just confirming the point about Lenovo. Bought a brand new Lenovo Legion last fall, and I didn't even bother booting Windows once before I started from a Linux Mint install USB.
After wrapping up the install, everything worked out of the box, including Lenovos hotkey for toggling the keyboard LEDs.
I found out Lenovo has a copilot key (keycode 201). Yesterday I remapped it to running a shell script that toggles some keyboard parameters.
Same for Dell; moreover, KDE actually features the respective indicators, so the laptop feels completely Linux-native
I got a client to buy me a System76 (Pangolin), never would have bought one otherwise. Everything is great about it, very powerful and as expected, except for the BT/WiFi module. It's kinda dogshit.
Besides that, IO is plentiful, it's a good size/weight, user upgradable/serviceable, has a hardware camera killswitch, and a built-in RJ45 to fix the WiFi issue. When I got mine, they were doing a special, and I also got a neat backpack with it for free!
except for the BT/WiFi module. Itβs kinda dogshit.
You can get external USB ones of those, which opens things up. Downside is that it's another thing to carry, and you gotta plug it in when you sit down. Upside is that it lets you put the antenna wherever you want (which doesn't matter much for Bluetooth, but can be nice for WiFi). Desktops these days with integrated BT/WiFi tend to have external antennas that you can place where you want, but laptops don't have that option outside of USB.
That being said, I've gotten several exotic USB WiFi adapters for which I needed to compile in support; support wasn't packaged and in the base kernel. So given the context of the "just works" standpoint, that could be a tripping spot.
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