If they want to reach their customers, they likely won't find them on mastodon.. hard to ignore millions of engaged users 🤷♂️
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Mastodon moderation is also absolute garbage.
That's not consciously why, but it's certainly part of the stack of reasons that made BS blow up despite coming in from the rear in both building the tech/site and having absorbed the first wave of Twitter departures.
Incidentally, I have a dormant Masto account and active accounts here and on Bluesky.
Masto is a big disappointment and surprisingly bad fit for the Fedi/AP structure.
Strongly disagree. Bluesky is extremely American-centric and basically just a bulletin board of "hot takes". I find Mastodon much deeper, more engaging, and international. I'm glad I deleted my BS account and replaced it with Mastodon.
edit: However, I was never a Twitter user in the past
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Would you mind elaborating why it's a bad fit? No shade to Lemmy, but if anything I feel like that would be a worse fit. People always talk about how the best part of Reddit was the niche subs, and a big issue here is that now instead of one small community you end up with 50 communities that all have one subscriber each. Also, there's a lot of reposting and cross posting to the same community on separate instances. Instances on what is functionally a more social network like mastodon make more sense, so you could for example have all players of a specific team on an instance just for that specific team, or government employees on a government instance. Make up and beauty influencers could for example be all on another instance, making their work easier to find.
I was never on any microblog sites though, so maybe I don't really understand them.
Well, since all the variants of a community are visible from everywhere if this ever got big you'd think users would consolidate around thing. And this does happen with some. There are many groups around gaming or tech or Linux, but there's typically a bigger one among those and as a new user you search and look for the one with the most people. And you can just follow them all and your feed just does the job of surfacing them for you together.
And there are some tools for managing reposts and the like that aggregate identical posts. It's far from perfect, I agree, but it is functional.
But for a Twitter-like the idea is that people would group in instances based on interests and instances would revolve around interests. But that's not how those work. You don't follow twenty people that only talk about one thing each. People talk about a bunch of stuff. And people don't stick to a theme within an instance in the first place, they just need an entry point to the firehose, and all entry points give you the firehose. You can host a hundred people with one thing in common, but their output won't be the same and you will also be hosting a number of randos unless you're strictly invite-only.
That means that using defederation as a moderation tool has a ton of collateral damage. People who chose an instance at random and got cut off with it. People who chose your instance and were following legit users of an instance you defederated. People who are on a solid instance but some bad actors joined it. People who disagree with a defederation choice on principle. And since Masto's instance migration tools are even worse than its moderation tools when inevitably some petty bullshit leads to federation wars you're going to end up having to migrate and rebuild a bunch of stuff. The opposite is also true, there is no guarantee that the bad actors will stay put in an instance if you cut it off defensively. And individually blocking them is pointless, since whatever new user they create will be fundmentally different and distinct despite looking the exact same because with the way accounts work across instances there is no way to prevent duplication on short handles. It's a mess.
Here you're subscribed to a subreddit thing that IS tied to an instance. If that gets really bad then sure, some of that collateral damage may also happen, but at least regrouping around a different version of the same thing is a communal process. You don't have to track down every individual user again, you just start posting on the second most popular version of that thing and go from there.
Valid points. Thank you for your insight.
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I'd love to use Mastodon more than I have BUT I DONT FUCKING USE LINUX AND I DONT WANT TO FUCKING HEAR ABOUT IT ALL GODDAMN DAY
Not having an algorithm means you need to curate your content.
If you drink from the fire hose you're only going to get bean juice.
You should just use Linux.
What do you think about Linux Mint?
Mint is a very good first distro.
Definitely go for it.
sorry but we cant just say no to an oportunity to suggest to you use linux
I noticed. I'm not having any of the problems that linux supposedly fixes.
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Linux, AI, LGBT and Trump/Musk. Everyone, every day. People need to know about those subjects, but it's awful to restrict the diversity of the world to the same recycled messages. It's like hearing Lois Griffin saying 9/11 time and time again 😅.
Lol I'm a linux user, but I rarely see content about it on Mastodon. I try to center over conversations and so and try to keep Tech content here in Lemmy.
You literally create your feed and select the people you want to connect to, it's easier to control the things you see ;)
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Fuck me, I wouldn't join BS even if you paid me. I've stepped on the centralised social network rake one too many times.
I guess I'll lose out on the viral influencer garbage I don't care about and brands doing cringe shit to push their products.
Bluesky isn't decentralised, given enough time there is nothing stopping it from becoming X
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As much as I'd love to see mastodon grow, I feel like a lot of people here like to ignore the number one most important feature of a social network: who's on it.
Bluesky didn't start with millions. Europeans chose it when there were none. Like Facebook getting its start because Savarin used his college frat connections across the country to get the ball rolling, I'm sure there were paid influencers who got things moving for Bluesky.
and mastodon just can't have the social network with how confusing it is to a normal user, just like lemmy.
Decentralized platforms will never take off as long as people talk about how it works, you just need a URL with a sign up function that works and an app you can install, log in to and it works. That's what a normal user wants.
Finding accounts to follow on Mastadon is fer less intuitive than finding some Lemmy communities to follow
That's for sure. But just as an example a friend of mine wanted to move away from reddit but found lemmy too confusing with how people explained it. If nobody is there to actually tell him how simple it actually is he'd never move over here.
Anyone from Lemmy explaining how it works on reddit with 3 paragraphs is writing 2 and a half paragraphs too many to actually get people to move here.
Anyone from Lemmy explaining how it works on reddit with 3 paragraphs is writing 2 and a half paragraphs too many to actually get people to move here.
I agree. Anyone willing to read all that detail is already here.
This 100%. I barely joined here because of how confusing it was. Having to pick a community is a big turn off if you just want to try something casually.
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This a bold comment to post on Lemmy
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Pro: can't really go viral on the mastodons.
Con: can't really go viral on the mastodons.
Masturbon sounds wrong that's why they use bluesky.
I have never heard of Masturbon lol
Bluesky is for people that want Twitter to go back to the “progressive” highly moderated/censored hugbox that it was before Musk bought it. They don’t want decentralisation or any of the supposed privacy that brings (which isnt actual privacy anyway), they just want old Twitter where everyone agrees with each other cause they ban everyone that doesn’t. Bluesky is that because it’s a literal Twitter clone from the guy who made Twitter.
Let me check your comments real quick. Yeeeeaaaahhhh, that's what I thought. "FreedomAdvocate", it was so obvious.
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I tried making an account on bluesky. I was using orbot at the time. It let me make an account and then instant acocunt suspension. Similar to other platforms.
I appreciate the platform preemptively stopping me from wasting my time. I should have known better.
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The important part on mastodon is that you have the choice to join whatever place you want, look at the stuff you want, have moderation as much or less as you want and cant be forced to anything really.
The fedi in total is about freedom, not privacy. Privacy in public posts is pretty much nonexistent. The only "privacy" argument i can think of is you cant be forced to link accounts and you can make thousands which makes it hard to grasp who you are today.
Still a vastly better idea than bluesky.
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I agree with you in part, but I find just wanted to put the footnote that good moderation isn’t censorship (unless it’s literally being used to suppress alternative viewpoints). Good moderation is just reminding everyone of your grandmother’s rule that if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say it all. And there is nothing wrong in joining an instance like that and doesn’t make your instance an echo chamber.
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Being on both…. I can say I am on Bluesky way more, more engagement, more big names etc etc. Mastodon feels dead in comparison.
I think a piece of it is discoverability. Mastodon makes it hard to find stuff, or suggests the same five accounts for me to follow for months. Blue sky is easier to find stuff on. I wish something like Mastodon would win, but the numbers aren't trending that way. Blue sky has more momentum.
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Mastodon user here since 2017. Sure, Bluesky requires less learning for those who come from other centralized platforms and nobody has to deal with fediblock drama over there. Some may also point to Bluesky's users being less tech-savvy and less prone to dogpiling on tech companies for their poor decisions, which I don't believe is completely true. Something I do love about Mastodon though is I don't need any mods or admins to make decisions for me. I can calmly stay in an instance I trust and filter everything, every single small bit, to fit my own criteria. I get others think this is bad moderation and wish to depend on third parties to answer their reports, clean the servers and "do justice" but I prefer to make those decisions myself and let others make theirs.
Yup, any client will allow you to block accounts or instances but noooo the other instance's admins must do it because someone somewhere somehow got micro-offended at something!
Everyone who has anything to say should post on both, then ditch Bluesky once they have enough followers on Mastodon.
Also, if you don't mind absolute chaos because of intentionally no moderation -> Nostr
If you also don't mind crypto whackos everywhere...
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