I get gun enthusiasm. Like, as a hobby. Those folks that hang out at the range are as nerdy as the folks that hang out at the model airplane club. This isn't for them. This is for the baddies. It's strange considering that Trump had a close attempt on his life involving a gun with iron sights. You would think he would want to be the last person involved in approving more effective people killers.
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that means YOU can buy one too.
All the other kids with their pumped up kicks
Sandy Hook 2 Electric Boogaloo. I can feel nothing but sorrow for the children of america's education system. Forget not Columbine, Sandy Hook, Uvalde, Virginia Tech, Parkland, Texas Tower, Red Lake, or Santa Fe.
Wasn't the bump stock banned by Trump after the Vegas shooting? Then unbanned under Biden?
Supreme Court unbanned it 6-3. Not really Biden's call.
I said unbanned under Biden. I didn't say he actually did it.
Sure, but "under" implies he had authority over the decision.
It shouldn't. That's not how it works.
I am aware. I wasn't sure how to word it.
“Then unbanned by the Supreme Court during Biden” would do just fine
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In other countries they sell modified versions of these handguns that cannot be made into machine guns with a switch. This is the real solution, but for some reason gun manufacturers can do no wrong in the US and are not held to higher safety standards.
In Belgium, of all places, you can buy fully auto weapons from shops with just a collectors license.
Do you have evidence to support that? Because AFAIK, the Glocks made both in the US and Austria have exactly the same design. OTOH, in most of Europe, it's very difficult to get the appropriate license for a handgun, so it's largely irrelevant.
Glocks sold in Europe are designed not to work with switches. This is common knowledge.
"Glock is profiting by continuing to sell the adaptable version in U.S. markets, even as they make and sell handguns in Europe that cannot accommodate such a switch."
Do you have evidence to support your claims or should I just block you now?
Edit: A quick look through you comments shows you are definitely a gun nut. Hard pass on discussing anything with your denialist guns r gud mentality.
Hard pass on discussing anything with your denialist guns r gud mentality
Yeah, isn't is strange that someone doesn't want the state to have the monopoly on violence, and believes in civil rights? Weird, right?
From your article:
"Platkin said Glock is profiting by continuing to sell the adaptable version in U.S. markets, even as they make and sell handguns in Europe that cannot accommodate such a switch."
This is something I've having a really hard time finding a source on. Everything I can find says that that about half of the Glock pistols that are sold in the US are made in Austria. And, as I said, sales in Europe for pistols are very tightly controlled, meaning that very few pistols--relatively speaking--are getting into the hands of anyone other than cops and military, so I'm not sure that there's a strong motive for them to make the design alteration in the EU.
Aside from the assertion from New Jersey's AG, I just can't find a source for that. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, and, if the AG is correct, then yes, Glock should change their design in the US. There's already precedent for this; open bolt semi-automatic firearms manufactured after 1986 are banned because they can--in general--be readily converted to full auto. However, given how many Glocks currently exist in the US, that would be an enormous legal mess that could possibly result in the National Firearms Act being declared unconstitutional.
"Also known as “auto switches,” the devices, which are already illegal in New Jersey and some other states, [...]"
They're illegal in EVERY state; it covered under federal law, specifically the National Firearms Act (1934) and Firearm Owners Protection Act (1986). Even if it was legal in New Jersey, it would still be a felony to possess or use one.
Because why not?!
Good luck kids going to school in the United States
This will help his pardoned militia in 3 years
at least they haven't resticted sales to registered republicans...
“We were going to win this,” said the former senior ATF official. “These things are not like bump stocks."
Forced reset devices are actually exactly like bump stocks in that they're legal because they force a distinct action of the trigger for every round fired. The legal definition of a machine gun is a firearm that fires more than one round per single action of the trigger. They haven't bothered to amend or expand that definition, so these types of devices keep skirting by on a technicality.
I suppose the argument could be made that forced reset devices work in a very similar way to a machine gun's auto sear, the difference being that they act on the trigger of the gun rather than the hammer, but it still doesn't meet the government's own definition of a machine gun.
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Nice I’ve been wanting a FRT. machine guns aren’t very good for mass shootings. All your ammo is gone instantly and you’re way less accurate. It’s good for suppressing fire, and fun in the backyard. This is not going to lead to more gun deaths.
I like how you are acting like most of us haven't played an FPS. The biggest difference is that there is no balance nerf between the damage an automatic bullet does and a semiautomatic bullet does. It's certainly leading to more gun deaths in Mexico, where a lot of these weapons are getting exported down to, although it is refreshing to act like school shootings still aren't a thing.
I fully expect for police to have to fear being "suppressive fired" soon enough, there are enough militant groups within the US that will enjoy the news, specially given the number of their members that were pardoned for Jan 6th.
Games are not equal to real life. 99 percent of people would have no idea how to control a machine gun.
It's enough to learn when you are being gaslighted about machine gun ammo consumption. Yes, it eats ammo faster, but it is also more dangerous. Furthermore, being fully automatic doesn't mean you spam it until it consumes the whole cartridge, it means you have more control how many bullets you can track with each trigger engagement. It's why burst mode exists, but better. People do have an idea in how to control ammo consumption, it is a core game mechanic with most games with guns.
True enough, but it's not very hard to learn.
How many people actually go out to a range every single week and burn through a couple hundred rounds working on training drills though? I did shooting at distance today (100-550y with .223) and burned through about 140 rounds, and most ranges don't even have that kind of distance available. (Thank fuck the RSO had a spotting scope; I couldn't see my splash in the grass to see where my rounds were going when I didn't hit. He was able to see trace with his scope though.)
Not a lot, I imagine! Still a pretty low hurdle to clear. All you really need is ammunition and a place to shoot it. It sure helps to have a spotter/RSO/somebody who knows what they're doing, but you can muddle through all right given enough trigger time.
What if I've watched Rambo? Does that work?
Let us not forget... an FRT doesn't even constitute a "machine gun" by their own definition!
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Remember gang, if your ID has an l, g, b, t, or q on it you qualify as desperately in need of guns.
Every driver's Licence with daTe of Birth and orGan donor has LGBT on it.
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