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"anonymized" sure. I highly doubt they read every message. I'm sure there is lots of de-anonymizing information in the messages themselves
For example--
Anon1: "hey jeff, wanna play Minecraft?"
Anon2: "sure"
Thus we know Anon2's name is Jeff. I imagine there's a lot of this.
"scraped" via API? I don't think It means what you think it means.
That’s good news. Internet archiving is an important endeavor because you never know when they‘ll pull the plug. Now it‘s a little more secured and probably far more useful than in Discord‘s hands alone.
Not for messages that are supposed to be private lol. Let me just make a copy of all texts you've sent over the last decade, for "archiving".
If you think messages you post anywhere on the internet are private, you're in for a bad time.
Texts are sent in plain-text and I wouldn't recommend discussing anything you'd like to keep private via text.
This says it was done via the API so they wouldn't be private messages.
So basically discord finally got a usable search. I count that as a win.
I see a lot of drama here in the thread, people decrying data leaks, how Discord is very very bad, and a number of people wanting the "good old days" of forums.
Yes. I like forums too, but, uh...
These researchers scraped publicly posted messages. Keyword here being "public". How would anything similarly public, like a forum, be better?
I actually remember the times when forums were at their peak. I hung out on BZPower for Bionicle things, and the Relic News Forum for Homeworld modding. You know what they had? Google bots that scraped messages, looked for certain words, and populated websites with advertisements based on what it could scrape from forums.
Pretty sure Lemmy doesn't do encryption either, unless there's some very special, private Lemmy server that nobody has access to. So the researchers could've just as well scraped the fediverse.
People in general have no idea and just want to get spun up on drama and manufactured outrage.
Same thing happened when people started scrapping Twitter 10-15 years ago.
Yeah this being just as easy on bb forums or literally any webpage with a public comment section was my first thought as well..
Isn't most of the internet scraped anyways, by the internet archive? The concerning part is that this is 100% going to be used to train some coomer brained AI. Scraping, botting, scamming: all those things are going to happen on large public communities.
Yeah, a lot of this push is about ushering in new laws to prevent data scraping.
Propaganda spreads easily through fake accounts—but how do we detect large-scale operations if they’re constantly creating and deleting accounts or trying to blend in with the rest of us? We’d need access to massive data sets to mine for patterns and expose coordinated behavior.
But the powers that benefit from shaping the narrative are the same ones pushing the idea that all scraping is bad. They want people to hate it, so they can justify laws that lock down access. That’s the end game.
How would anything similarly public, like a forum, be better?
Forums were the primary way that groups would talk with one another pre-global scale social media.
They could contain public subforums, but the majority of all of the forums that I've been a part of were not viewable without an account, which was manually approved or required a small payment (to make bans have a chance to actually stick).
Probably our only chance to find solutions to problems with open source software that uses Discord as their forum
Seriously. It's beyond painful when some open source project only uses Discord for communication. You have to hope that you post your question at a time when the right people are online, and that there's not a more interesting conversation going on, otherwise it just gets lost. Index that whole dataset.
Index that whole dataset
I've seen a few projects doing just that with answeroverflow.com and they have come up in my web searches. Not really a solution but at least a stopgap.
Given some similar issues, why is it some projects still use IRC then?
there's a difference between using irc for livetime troubleshooting and not having a forum at all and directing everyone to your livechat discord. i'm sure some sicko out there has run an OSS project on only IRC, but their project likely got no traction because a history of problemsolving posts is important in open source. generally speaking, you need:
too many projects these days only have that last one in the form of discord
For projects I am involved with all irc chats are archived and searchable. There is nothing private, no registration needed and searchable.
Quite a bit different.
That would be equally annoying. Probably a better signal to noise ratio on IRC though; Discord descends into memes almost instantly.
Because IRC is awesome, always has been
I spent nearly three hours today between discord and matrix trying to figure out how to get these two pieces of software to talk using a certain protocol.
Imagine if there were online indexable platforms where people could publish this information so it’s easily accessible rather than having to scour through message logs hoping to find the right keywords. Such a technology surely doesn’t exist already, right?
I hate discord.
I don't hate Discord, I simply hate that so many projects and companies have unanimously decided to use it as the wrong tool for the wrong job.
It's fine for its intended use case, which is bickering with my friends about video games and fiction, and spamming each other with .gifs and meme images.
Discord is genuinely a great tool for what I used to use Skype for. Talking to my friends, and sharing dumb memes with them in a groupchat format. Companies need to learn that using it as a forum, a Q&A service, a wiki or any other information sharing purpose, is simply fucking retarded.
Lol, I've read this headline and thought "thank fuck, probably the only option to have Discord's content readable", I like how universal this opinion is
wtf…… going to get worse after IPO!
Well yeah, it's not encrypted. It would be the same as 10 years of Reddit posts or Lemmy posts scraped
This isn't even them scraping private chats and small servers, they just scraped public servers in the discovery tab. None of that information was ever private, and every user can browse the chat history there.
Yeah, exactly. It may sound scary or like a violation of privacy, but there is no privacy when posting to public online areas.
"Researchers scrape thousands of hours of news footage from their TVs!" is about as big a deal, honestly.
There's literally no difference. Each Discord server is like a tiny chunk of Reddit. If anyone expected any privacy on these servers, they're nuts.
If they aren't comfortable with their Discord messages being public, perhaps they shouldn't have posted those messages in a public forum that the public can access.
So this is:
'Uh guys, Discord chats leaked..."
For... what, just literally everyone who used Discord between 2015 and 2017, everyone who was an early adopter?
Dear fucking god.
I used to say 'someday, people will learn', but fucking no obviously not, no they won't, almost everyone is an idiot and/or truly doesn't care.
... I guess this'll be fodder for a whole bunch of dramatubers / pedohunters for the next year or so...
It wasn't the chats though. It was public servers that can be found through the discovery tab. I would love to be up and arms about this and convince people to switch but.. Looking at it objectively, this isn't terribly different from if they'd archived public subreddits and their posts.
The disappearance of forum public discussion to unsearchable, unpreserved, discord semi-private discussion chambers is probably the largest informational catastrophe of the internet so far.
I potentially agree, but as a possible competitor, I submit:
Everything DOGE has done in the last 3 months.
Great news for open source AI.
Saving this article for the next time someone says "Just message me on discord its easier".
Ooh! Do Teams next
So how does this work? Like how did they get those messages through API calls? Also, is this not something that Discord would dislike since it dilutes the value of their data horde?
Meanwhile AI scrapers: This will be a fine addition to my collection.
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marked safe
from Brazilian mass discord message leak
(never used discord)
Public data should be accessible anonymously. You can't change my mind.
