No. Homicides have still raised by 15% in 2024. This is a graph of rate increase in homicides, not of homicides. It's the second derivative (see speed vs acceleration)
this post was submitted on 25 May 2025
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That's not correct. There were 15% more homicides in 2024 than in 2015 but the homicide rate went down since the peak of the 2020 crime wave.
The data showed on that image contradicts this, it says "percentage change in homicides and police killings since 2015". This is very clear language, "since 2015, this is the percentage change in homicides and police killings", not "difference between homicides and police killings in this year to 2015".
I'm talking about the original chart, not this chart specifically, the language is implying different things, probably showing things that are not real, based on the text that was given.
Percent changed compared to 2015 would be better, but choosing a graph like this makes no sense if it would have been change yoy and also if that were the case then starting at 0% makes no sense.
I agree.
The vague wording is bad, I think they should just use the absolute values and another one with the percentages, that would make it a lot clearer.
Murder rate
a quantity, amount, or degree of something measured per unit of something else
- Merriam-Webster (emphasis mine)
Both police killings and murders are increasing, but police murders are increasing faster year over year than homicides are increasing.
Regardless of the administration, the US is increasingly a police state controlled by an oligarchy.
the US is increasingly a police state controlled by an oligarchy.
alwayshasbeen.jpeg
but the gloves are coming off though for sure
Seems like the same 2020 high happened in Sweden, UK, Netherlands, ... (1). Perhaps covid (and lockdown) related?
Its not year on year, all datapoints are the rate against 2015's rate.
"as other homicides fell", but shows growth rate. This is just disinformation from the media (New York Times), homicides grew not "fell", by its own chart.
This must be intentional, because no one would do this using this chart. Is it implying that police killings reduce other homicides? (based on this contradictory chart)
Edit: chart
OK. Are both lines calculated with that same metric? If so it's still apples to apples.
~~The legend states what you have pointed out.~~ (no it doesn't I misremembered, my bad) BUT STILL, maybe an editor thought the headline was too long?
If so it's still apples to apples.
At the same time, derivatives are known to be noise amplifiers. Second derivative even more so.
I fear the author wanted to talk about apples, the measurements didn't agree, so kept taking derivatives until the graph agreed with their bias. Why else talk about change in change of apples?
As always, misinformation has been spread, tweet succesfull ✅️
You might be correct but you are clearly in an area of expertise that is beyond mine, so I'm going to let the other folks arguing about it argue about it. 🙂
that chart is ass, and the way the data is presented is even worse. tf is that y axis??
Exactly this, you deserve more upvotes than anyone arguing lol
If chart needs this much discussion to figure out what it is says, then it is a useless chart.
Why would somebody publish something like this? We will never know!
Some people refuse to read, it literally explains it.
Sure buddy
Obviously the police are killing all the murderers. /s
"Intensive policing"
"Since" is the wrong word in the subtitle there. Should be "compared to"
I don't think the graph is showing the phenomenon that OP thinks it's showing - there was a crime wave that started in 2020 which isn't over yet, but things have gotten significantly better since 2022 and that's the same internal when police killings went up, so the straightforward conclusion is that there has been more intensive policing in the last three years which is what has reversed the dramatic increase in the homicide rate.
I'm not sure I agree with your original assertion nor your conclusion, but it's a fair argument! Intensive policing as the defense for this graph seems like a bit of a euphemism to me.
The last police necromancer, capable of raising the dead, died in 2020. They raised 5 people from the dead in 2016.
Covid knew to aim for the necromancer, what a gamer. Ggwp