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[–] Aeao@lemmy.world 102 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

I read this once before and it's one of those facts I find endlessly fascinating. It's simple and obvious why it wasn't normal before recent times...

It just scratches my nerd fact itch I guess.

It's right up there with

  • social security numbers were promised to never be used as essentially your "human number" for things and would only be used for ss benefits

And

  • minimum wage WAS designed and WAS intended to be a livable wage. It very specifically was proposed and made law with the point being it's the lowest wage which a person can support themselves. People saying "minimum wage isn't supposed to be livable wage!" Are wrong.

Oh and

-we see the color that is not absorbed by an object. So essentially we see every color the object ISNT.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (13 children)

Not to be too pedantic but that last one isn't quite correct. Color "happens" after the object is hit with light - it's defined by our perception of the wavelengths that bounce off.

Which I suppose raises the question... Is a blue box still blue in total darkness? Is its color defined by the light its reflecting or it's capacity to reflect? I think the latter but I don't really know

[–] Aeao@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

Please be pedantic. I enjoy it. That isn't sarcasm, I love a good "technically...."

Yes you're right. It is fun to think about tho.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is a blue box still blue in total darkness?

Depends on the context of the question, but generally I'd argue it is still a blue box, since that's most likely a question about the property of the box, rather than its current state.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Technically it is an emergent property of the system composed of the light source, the box and our eyes.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 1 points 17 hours ago

Depends how you define "blue". You could be talking about perception, or the wavelength of the light it reflects...

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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Your last point is more of a philosophical / semantical one. What does it even mean that something is a specific color?

It's like how blue butterflies actually don't have any blue pigments but rather have a nanostructure that interferes with light in a way that favors blue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Ts7CsJDpg

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 10 points 3 days ago

It probably wasn't written to the quantity it is today, but it doesn't mean it wasn't used.

Mass literacy wasn't a thing until the past 100 years, so a lot of people didn't even write anything down about their lives.

Even once mass literacy was adopted, the written word was generally sent to specific places. Outside of combat messengers, letters generally went to specific places where people would pick them up. If you were able to read the written message, you were probably in a known location to the sender.

It isn't until cellular text messaging or Internet chat where it became common to not know where a person was when you were talking to them.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Since we have had houses with multiple rooms it has certainly made sense to shout “where are you?”

Scratch that. Since there were opaque things larger than a human that could be positioned in between two humans (rock, tree, bush, animal) it has made sense.

Scratch that. Since there was dark it has made sense.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Only recently has the response changed from "here" to something more descriptive.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did cavemen not know Marco Polo?

Only Asians in the 13th century knew him.

It's weird how he ended up in swimming pools.

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[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 48 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Marco! Polo!

CW (continuous wave / Morse code) over RF in the 1900s.

Walkie talkies and car phones in the 1940s.

AMPS cell phones in the 1980s.

Mostly though they’re right. When you used telecommunications systems you were largely communicating with a location or a known station, not a personal identity. Fascinating to think about.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 6 points 3 days ago

The CW folks would presumably be sending QTH instead


I wonder if this graph captures that/if it would make an appreciable difference?

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I imagine there would have been a (relative) spike between the advents of shelter and candles.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I mean, what is this chart? What are the metrics?

[–] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is Google Ngrams, and the exact results can be found right here. It charts the frequency of a word or phrase occurring in all literature in Google's library, by publication date. You can make interesting inferences about the popularity of words. Also, try two words, phrases or names separated by a comma to compare them side by side.

It's really cool but people have stopped talking about it much since it came out years ago.

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This is a neat tool! I searched for "how are you?" and got almost the same graph so I'm not sure if it's as meaningful as people think. Probably more related to casual conversations being captured in text more.

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 days ago

yeah same with "who are you"

[–] isyasad@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I looked at some of the examples of early 1800s use of "where are you?" and it seems to be used often as "where are you going?" (most common) or something else like for example "from where are you buying that?" etc.

Also seems like the way they process it, it doesn't just look for the immediate following question mark, the question mark can be later on.

[–] DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

My guess would be Google scholar (or whatever their thing is called which lets you search through a bazillion indexed books and other texts)

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You hear your buddy, but you can't see him because of foliage in the way. "Where are you?". This scenario could happen all throughout history.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

Just call his cell phone, you'll hear it ring through the foliage.

[–] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

Or just in another room. I'm sure we've all asked "where are you?" to someone distant at home.

[–] boses@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago
[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Weird... I'd expect the graph to start rising at 1969, with the invention of Scooby-Doo.

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

History is rife with stories about some King/General/Warlord demanding that his princely sons lead their battalions to capture some town and then re-join his larger army. It was common to send a scout or courier to go find the sons for an update, essentially asking "where are you?". If a long siege or other poor conditions delayed one of the princes, then by the time he arrived to the meeting location the father could already be dead, or worse, extremely disappointed.

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] boses@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

All these thoughtful answers and yet I believe this the most

[–] norby@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

The Hebrew "Ayekah" in the myth of Adam and Eve is often translated to "Where are you?"

In the story, God asks Eve this after the whole fruit thing.

Granted its probably a much more metaphorical use, as there is already an established narrative of an omnipotent, omnipresent, and all-knowing deity by this point.

Semantically it might count, but as far as the actual meaning of the words it was probably more of a question of concern and not of location.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 14 points 3 days ago (6 children)

What happened around 1900?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Everybody went blind for a hot minute

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Peekaboo was invented

[–] thirtyfold8625@thebrainbin.org 16 points 3 days ago

After Marconi sent wireless telegraphic signals across the Atlantic Ocean in 1901, the system began being used for regular communication including ship-to-shore and ship-to-ship communication.

People probably realized that they should preemptively describe where they were soon afterwards, so asking about that was surely not necessary very often.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago (4 children)

There are some instances I can think of, but very few; smoke signals, whistles, marching bands for battle.

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[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Right no one ever looked for anyone or snytuingnin the dark. Ffs

[–] joshcodes@programming.dev 8 points 2 days ago

I had a snytuingnin once but luckily my doctor removed it.

I suppose that, until recently, all communication methods made it clear to someone where the recipient of a message was. Someone getting a letter probably got it at a particular place or from a particular person, and even a phone call would often require using a particular device at a particular place. Even if you didn't know where someone was when they received a message from you, it would be such an obvious question that people would probably provide it in a message to you even if they weren't asked about it (see https://greatships.net/distress and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxRN2nP_9dA for an example from the Titanic). This makes me think that "Where are you?" actually means "I don't know where you are" / "I'm having trouble finding you" and is most useful when you can communicate with the person more frequently than they would announce their position (which might only describe situations when you're talking to someone using a cell phone).

[–] subtext@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

That doesn't mean "where are you" it means "why are you". That's why she goes on to say "would a rose by any other name not smell as sweet?" because she's venting about how, if he didn't have the family name he has, their love wouldn't be forbidden.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Everyone asks wherefore art thou and whence comest thou, but no one asks how dost thou fare 😔

[–] subtext@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

I thought I remembered it being something else!

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