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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

When I think of Walter Koenig, I think of Bester, not Chekov.

To be blunt, whenever I watched Trek I never got the impression he was particularly good. But then when I saw him in B5, I thought "Damn he can act. Why didn't the Trek show runners take advantage of this?!"

Bester was supposed to be a one-off villain! They brought him back because he was amazing!

[–] MintyAnt@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Bester is also still a unique character, and Koenigs delivery is unique.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago

Fuck. I have to start another rewatch of the series now.

[–] MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

goofy hairstyles

Look how they massacred my boy Londo.

First real character I remember in sci-fi. He's a highfalutin blowhard from a noble house, who's fucking broke and has to lose two of his wives.

Then he picks the one that treats him the worst because she lies the least.

Then he goes on to sell his soul to make his planet great again which of course if goes all monkey paw on him.

The dude is a walking pile of contradictions. There's nobody like him in star trek sadly.

And the show blew me away with how it showed exactly how Londo would die in the first season, and his death was both exactly, and nothing at all, like it was foretold.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 7 points 1 day ago

The way he gained a soul the hard way just to trade it, fucking amazing journey

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 day ago
[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (5 children)

G'Kar was the wrong character to show for the prosthetics poke. The Narn prosthetics are actually shockingly good with a surprisingly high degree of articulation allowing for lots of emoting and facial expressions. Some of Delenn's head bone prosthetics, on the other hand, are just terrible.

Given the budget that Fox gave them to film this, I'm not going to whine about it when I've watched community theater productions and enjoyed them. If the visual realism is a hard sticking point, then unfortunately, you just kinda have to sigh and live with it. Enjoy the story, and maybe try making fandom cosplay and give it a try for yourself.

That isn't a dig, btw. Being able to make costumes of similar (but lesser) quality made me appreciate the hard work that goes into this more. And being involved in it helped me learn willfull suspension of disbelief. Or course you can see the seams in the costume. The actor is ignoring them and doing their damn best for a good script. I think that effort deserves a little grace.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Optic Nerve won a damn Emmy for their prosthetic work on B5, not sure what op's on about with that one...

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago

Shoulda gone meta with the drazi and the human mask

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[–] bacon_pdp@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You forgot fighting against fascism

[–] slingstone@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Kirk fought literal Nazis. Sheridan fought future Nazis. Why did you get downvoted for this comment?

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 47 points 1 day ago

Obviously for bringing politics into a discussion about my beloved politics show

[–] teft@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably Dukat's account downvoted.

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[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Don’t forget Archer fighting literal Nazis

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Mom, can we get some Babylon 5?"

Mom:

Pretty much every scene involving Londo and G'Kar is solid gold. Although every time Peter Jurasik appears on screen with his very odd accent for Londo, my mind goes like: "Oh, here's The (space) Count from Sesame Street again!"

[–] SlothMama@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is there a Babylon 5 Lemmy community? If not, can someone please create one? Thanks.

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 day ago

!babylon5@sh.itjust.works

[–] Hatshepsut@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

S4 is a really interesting watch given the current political climate in the US. I just embarked on a re-watch this month. Agree G’kar and Londo scenes were great. My favorite duo in the show.

God, this. This fucking show was absolutely prophetic. I wish more politicians watched it in the 90s and got the fucking hint.

[–] oyzmo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Love Babylon5, excellent series!

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 19 points 1 day ago (11 children)

You had me at "20th century understanding on how eye contact works in a video call".

[–] Sir_Gkar@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

One of the wonderful little details from B5 was the holographic recording Londo made for [REDACTED] where he's making his grand speech about how and why he's having him [REDACTED]. The recording is constantly looking in the wrong direction, pointing accusingly at the wall, moving through people, and just obviously not lining up with the room it's being played in because it's just a recording.

Then the gospel choir kicks in and the episode officially becomes my all time favorite.

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 day ago

An account created three months ago, named after a Babylon 5 character, and your very first comment is under this post about Babylon 5. Checks out.

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago (7 children)

See, that was their problem. Their last best hope for peace was a truck stop? That is not where you get peace. That is where you get the opposite of peace. They could have only done worse if it were a space waffle house.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ds9 was a truck stop, the babylon stations were UN convention centres with bazaars did you even watch the show

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

The Centauri: "You call this a convention center? I would not host my second cousin's baby shower here; it stinks of commoners."

(which is to say, i watched it two decades ago)

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 day ago

To be fair, while "truck stop" is a fairly accurate term for DS9 and its location along a major trade route, the primary purpose of Babylon 5 was really just being a neutral location for political relations and whatnot. Though maybe there are important meetings that are conducted at Waffle House, idk

[–] teft@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

last best hope for peace was a truck stop

Picture I found of Babylon-5:

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[–] teft@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

It has been a while since my last rewatch.

It was the dawn of the third age of mankind – ten years after my last rewatch.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Came for the interspecies sex, stayed for the drug addicts.

Dude, the way that show handled not one but two addiction arcs. In the 90s.

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't have a stim problem. They're legal. I have it under control.

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