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I think the total cost for me would've probably been like $5000 (USD) at least. Like at least 100 movies. 150 TV shows, 50 games.

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[–] Enzy@lemm.ee 1 points 6 minutes ago

Zero because I don't have to do anything.

[–] 3dmvr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Pirscy has its negatives, anything ive spent money on ive been compelled to use, piracy ill build up a library of barely touched software, doing myself a disservice not learning/using them, but they feel less imporrtant if they can be gotten free, only really applies to the initial learning phase but most stuff I pirate I dont get past that phase

[–] 3dmvr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

Ive spent hella time watching garbage I wouldve never bought but watched it because it was free, wont get that time back lol, many games ill never play because I pirated them and didnt even try them, but that just made them feel like they could be played whenever, and since the only cost was the time it took to downlaod/install I was never rushing to open them

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 hours ago

After a very intensive calculations session, I come up with at least 7$.

[–] tired_board_of_wood@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works -1 points 18 hours ago

Nice try, glowie

I wouldn't use that term, it has a... problematic history:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/glowie

Etymology

From glow +‎ -ie. Originated by Terry Davis, who stated in a 2017 video that "CIA [N-Slur] glow in the dark", implying that they are conspicuous. The term "glowie" would become popular on the 4chan /pol/ board around 2019.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Does it count if you barely watched/played it?

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 10 hours ago

Way I see it, if I'm over 1:1, I'm owed more than I owe. You're welcome, and/or, where can I pick up my check?

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

Does a WoW subscription count? I've played on private servers for a looooong time, that alone would've been some 20+ months of sub.

It's tricky for me to estimate because the majority of my piracy happened around 2004-14, so lots of stuff I don't remember, plus some of the games I pirated back then I ended up buying later on at a discount (Jazz Jackrabbit, SupCom, UT2004, X3TC). I still don't own a legal copy of Age of Empires 2, so you can add that one to my debt.

Oh, that reminds me, if I add the many, many, MANY emulated roms to that list, boy, that'll be a lot of debt. Some 500 games times ~40 dollars average, that's 20k.

There are also the many anime episodes that simply didn't exist as available for purchase, so "at original price" I guess it'd be zero.

[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

$0. I would not have any it if I didn't pirate it. I was never going to spend any money.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago

this is exactly why their numbers for 'lost revenue' is a load of shit.. Most of us would be the same. If we couldn't pirate, we just wouldn't watch their shit.

[–] huquad@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This was tricky, but I estimate about $3.50

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 18 hours ago

That's one lazy loch ness monsta.

[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 67 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Outdated image, these days we just remote into the FBI office, no FBI jacket needed.

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 hours ago

Outdated image, everything goes through palantir now

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 35 points 2 days ago

What is the point of being in the FBI if you're not going to wear the jacket?

[–] Octavusss@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't you ever get cold and lonely without the jacket?

That's for next week's episode when I have to go out in the field to do the investigation.

(Investigating the donut shop near the crime scene, that is 🍩)

[–] Goten@piefed.social 32 points 1 day ago

nice try Interpol!

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 day ago

Probably not that much. I ended up buying most of the games I pirated anyway. For me, it was because of sheer poverty.

These days, I don't care enough about games to bother anymore.

Or, I own the media already, and just want an easy-ready version that I can video edit without having to fuss over decoders and crap.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 day ago

Nice try, FBI

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago

This kind of thinking is what the mpaa and others want pirating framed as. Very very little of what's pirated would have been paid for at all had it not been available. I've paid to see sequels for movies that have pirated and have bought books based on series I've downloaded that I never would have bothered to explore if I had to buy them originally.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 day ago

There's a lot of stuff that you can't even buy now.

[–] remon@ani.social 24 points 2 days ago

I'd be fucked ....

Currently around 70TB .. over 2k movies, 1.8k TV shows (63.000+ episodes) and around 66.000 tracks by over 900 artists ...

[–] tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Does this include media I grabbed but literally never opened or looked at?

[–] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

If a tree falls in a forest, but nobody heard or saw it, did really fall?

If you pirated media, but never saw it, did you really pirate it?

[–] Sebastrion@leminal.space 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Looks like today is your cake day! Happy cake day, but... Is the cake real or not?

[–] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] matey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

The cake is a pie?

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

I've pirated books that are so rare their used copies cost hundreds of euros. Also there are the English academic publications, which have insane prices even by default, and boy do I love hoarding them. In general, I've pirated so much I have no idea how I'd even go about estimating the theoretical total cost.

OTOH I've also recently been thinking about how much money I have spent on legally obtaining media, going to concerts and film screenings and plays and exhibitions and everything else... Should be solidly in the four-digit area.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

About -5000, where can I collect, FBI?

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Collect at your local FBI office, of course.

Don't worry its very safe, there are some very skilled agents right at the lobby to protect the the money... from the bad guys of course. All you have to do is just walk to the receptionist and ask for it. Looking forward to meeting you! 😉

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

Thanks! Let me pack my gun and some weed for the trip, I'll be there in a jiffy.

[–] ExtremeDullard@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I owe my entire life to piracy.

I learned all I know on pirated software, and all the jobs that I've ever held are entirely attributable to it.

Did I shaft the software vendors I pirated the software of? Absolutely. But! I'm also very well paid and I pay a lot of taxes thanks to my ill-gotten skills. So overall, I contributed to society as a whole orders of magnitude more than I stole from the individual software vendors.

Of course, I recognize that this sort of logic is self-serving and leaves the software vendors I shafted without any money. But... just sayin'. There's more than one face to this coin.

As for media - music, movies and such, I've almost never purchased any. I bought a few LPs as a kid before my parents bought me a cassette player (and more importantly, recorder). After that, I never ever paid a single dime for any media I've ever consumed. Never. And I still don't.

I make no apology for this: it's theft pure and simple. The only weak justification I can offer is that if I tried to purchase music or movies, it would be inconvenient to procure, DRM'ed, force shit I don't want to watch down my throat, like those stupid unskippable FBI warnings on DVDs, and the pirated versions of mp3s and movies are much more user-friendly and resistant to time and deprecation. But at the end of the day, I fully admit that I'm a shameless freeloader.

The only thing I pay for religiously is books. No particular reason why I respect writers more than musicians or film directors... It's just like that. I want writers to get paid.

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[–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 2 days ago

Nice try FBI.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Jfc, I can't even calculate.

Music, if we say 10 bucks a CD, at least 10k. Probably closer to 20k, and maybe more because I haven't actually counted in years because I didn't see the point in trying to keep up. However, I just went and looked at the folder on my nas and it has 1k+ albums on it, and that's way less than is on my main drive on my media PC. So even the 20k estimate is a lot lower than what's actually there. Likely closer to the $50k mark if my memory is right. I tend to grab whole albums rather than individual tracks only, and I'm prone to grabbing an entire discography when I discover a new band. My music collection is around 2tb total, I know that without looking.

Movies, even at the same price, it would be around the 8k mark somewhere, though they aren't all in one place, so I cant be certain. There's a little over 1k files on the nas, but that's only the ones that everyone wanted available on there.

Books, I'm fucked. Call it 5 bucks for a cheap paperback, and I'm close to 10k, if not over. Hard to be sure because I do have duplicates in multiple formats. I've whittled down to only "borrowing" epub files and converting on my own if someone borrows an ebook from me and wants a different format, but I've never gone through and deleted mobis and whatnot. But it's around 3k files on my boox reader, plus more on my nas drive that I really only keep because I like having access to some reference materials but don't use them often enough to justify keeping them on devices. So 15k there, at that price.

I just checked because I was curious. Almost 18k files of ebooks. That, however, does include classics that I only read occasionally, copies in multiple formats, stuff that isn't for me (kid, wife, etc), and probably some stuff that I read once and never will again, but didn't delete. So, over 50,000 bucks at 5 bucks each.

Comics, that's easier because a scanned version doesn't really have a monetary value at all, and most of my collection is of OOP stuff. So, depending on how you look at what a price should be, it's $0, maybe 600 bucks at $1 each, or you'd have to track cover prices on all of it, and I ain't doing that lol.

Tbh, I can't think of the last time I pirated a game. I just don't game that much on my desktop any more, and I know I haven't in the 10 odd years I've had that specific hard drive.

If I tried to factor in stuff that was higher priced at some point (and CDs used to be pretty expensive), numbers would go up.

Shit. Even if I wiped out the stuff I have physical copies of, it would still be in the 100k range I think.

[–] palarith@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How would you calculate tv shows that have being broadcasted

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[–] FermiEstimate@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is tough to answer, because a lot of pirated stuff is literally priceless, i.e., can't be bought at all.

I'd be happy to pay for the recent Ace Combat 5 and 6 upscaled ports, but they were only available briefly with preorders for AC7 on consoles I don't have. They haven't been sold outside of that brief window several years ago. Even if you tracked down unopened copies from 2019 and bought them from third parties, the license codes they contained expired long ago.

Fortunately, the Ace Combat community has put a lot work into making emulation work. The older games are playable, just not in a way you can pay money for.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

This right here is what really grinds my gears. When companies own an IP, refuse to do anything on it, and then engage in litigation when someone makes a fan-based project against that IP, or someone redistributes their IP that they're no longer selling.

Either ride the horse or leave the stable.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Infinite money. Capital wants infinite money for their imaginary property in perpetuity. Otherwise they'll get their state to put you in a cage.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

everything up to 2006 was roughly 70K cad including stuff I never used, duplicates only counted if they were either games for different system/movies from different phys. media/given to friends. value of dollar was roughly accounted for as if it was bought when new.

A bunch of friends and I stopped pirating stuff when we started working and had no time for entertainment and we tallied everything up and checked each other's calculations and voted on if certain items could be included, etc., as a closure/end of an era thing. I was second place and top of our group was like 130K

current bounty is probably just whatever mcu films are on bluray and maybe 6 bluray volumes of whatever anime weren't on the netflix or amazon I'm mooching. Maybe like 8 switch games but I only played 2 and wiped it when I sold the switch, and 3 pc games but I only played 1 but I'll probably just go through my steam backlog if I ever have gaming time again in my life.

edit: I guess also some netflix shows while I wasn't mooching an account and some apple shows but no idea how to account for that.

[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

By this point I would have to have Luigi'd about three CEOs to be able to pay all the stuff via collecting the contracts.

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Very little. I've always wanted to be paid for the work I do so I have always paid others for the work they have done for me. If I couldn't afford to pay for it, I didn't steal it instead.

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hi FBI. I will just say 5000 seems crazy low though, especially if you're assuming a movie is $20-$30 and a game is like $10-$80. Dunno how you'd calculate tv shows but dvd/bluray seasons/box sets can get real expensive fast.

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[–] Kissaki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Pay what? A physical copy? A digital license for streaming on a platform? A digital rental? A month of streaming service that includes it? Taking free access and public libraries (like public broadcasting libraries), temporary or time-limited into account? There's way too much variance to make any reasonable assessment on this.

To get an idea of price variance, even without monthly services, which make individual consumption cheaper still, let's look at the value of digital products on Steam.

Comparing my Steam account value calculated by SteamDB, the "lowest value" is 23% of the "value today". Taking into account that prices reduce significantly over time, you could put it much lower.

How do you expect people to calculate "if you had to pay for every item"?

I rarely actually pirate anything. The only time I pirate is when I'm otherwise forced to go through that specific company to do the things I want due to monopoly shit.

Used to pirate windows before switching to Linux (I still give people I know helpful tips on the process though, not everybody can make the switch yet). Used to pirate MS office and a couple other pieces of software back when I had to use them for school. I would pirate substance painter if a Linux crack was available, but I haven't been able to find one and I can't get the windows version working, so I simply don't use that software. And as for shows and movies, that whole mess of subscriptions, yeah I don't watch pretty much any of it. I buy physical copies when possible and watch stuff with friends who have the services. I use bandcamp for most of my music, sometimes YouTube for discovering new stuff.

I will however keep up to date on all of the piracy methods because i will not be caught helpless by some shitty company who thinks it's found a way to corner me.

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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