If it's jot you then the question becomes, are you willing to commit suicide so a reasonable facsimile of you can save some strangers.
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I'm willing to die to save people, so if some version of me actually gets to survive it, with there being a chance that it is me, then there's no reason for me not to do it.
Are you willing to die to save any people?
People dumb enough to nap on a trolley trail? No. rich people? Also no.
Actually this would be faster the other way around.
Orphans with chronic diseases who, should they be saved stand a reasonable chance at a cure and a long, prosperous and happy life?
Also no.
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Clone myself.
Send clone through teleporter to pull lever.
360 no scope snipe the imposter clone motherfucker.
Claim credit for saving people.
Is cloning that much faster than running to the lever? Do you also keep a cloning machin always handy on you?
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Doesn't it depend if the teleporter open a up a wormhole or used replication?
Depends if teleportation uses TCP or UDP
UDP teleportation sounds pretty questionable.
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It won't be me and, unless I have some loved one there, I'm not thoughtlessly jumping into suicide.
If it's a wormhole or Niven-style teleporter, it's unarguably you coming through the process. Star Trek... I'll grant that the conversation gets a little more complicated.
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I think teleportation is a really interesting philosophical question. If life is deterministic and there is no soul, then there should be no problem with teleportation. From a deterministic atheist perspective it should not be a problem, I wouldn't teleport myself though 😅
I think it's mostly a semantic argument: nothing is being "teleported", it's a copy. That copy will surely be a perfect copy of me at time T, and after T we'll drift and become different folks, but a copy of me is not me, and if you punch the copy it doesn't hurt me. SOMA showcases it pretty well! Anything else cannot even be conceived, right? And even if matter could be "transported" FTL into a different place, wouldn't the "zipping" process destroy me? The silver cord would be cut, and even if the person on the other side wakes up feeling like me, I would already be gone. It's consciousness and the vessel for consciousness, not one or the other.
This is the same reason I feel like peoples ideas of being “uploaded to the Matrix” are just as flawed. All of the same talking points but with a digital output. Being uploaded means death because my consciousness will cease to exist and simply be emulated by a computer after.
The only one who gain the benefit of me uploading is everyone but myself.
That one I can almost see happening but not full 'upload' style. It would have to be gradual in like a Ship of Theseus' style where the parts that make you 'you' are gradually replaced with digital equivalents.
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If you teleport the people off the tracks then you can kill them all while still taking credit for saving them.
Doesn't that make it even more selfless?
You’ve shed and replaced every atom that you were made of when you were born and many times over since then, are you still that same entity?
Yeah, but you didn't shed them all at once. If the ship of Theseus exploded, and then they built a new one, the question wouldn't be, "Which is the true ship of Theseus?" it would be, "Hey, did you guys see Theseus' new ship?"
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Shit like this always remind me of the videogame SOMA.
Have had that game in my library for years, maybe I need to play it
You should. It's incredible. Just realize it's a walking sim. If you're okay with that then def play it.
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That game has the best story and atmosphere I've ever seen in my life (maybe except for HL2)
I kinda wish SOMA hit for me but I was already well-aware of the "teleportation problem" and have an established position, so instead I was frustrated at the slow pace of much of the game and annoyed that the protagonist didn't understand. It felt like "Bioshock at home".
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My concern would be less about whether it sends the original or creates a perfect copy, but more about how reliable it is. Getting Riker'd/Boimler'd would be okay, but having more than a negligible chance of any other sort of transporter accident would definitely give me pause.
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Define "you." An identical collection and pattern of atoms and subatomic particles? Then yes. A continuous consciousness as experienced by the "me" on the entry side of the teleporter? No.
Would I kill myself to save five lives and create one? Yes
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I tend to think what "you" are is the pattern formed by the various electrical and chemical signals in your brain and whatever other parts of your body are involved in cognition, and since patterns are ultimately information, and a completely identical copy of some information is the same information with nothing to distinguish it, that a sufficiently perfect copy of you literally is you, and as such, if the teleporter works the way fictional teleporters are generally described as working, then yes, it is you.
For everyone else, yes. But the you you are now will cease to exist. Your consciousness won’t transfer.
I don't believe continuity of consciousness is actually required to maintain the identity of consciousness, is the thing. I think that, if you died, and then were brought back some how, you wouldn't have some "new" consciousness that merely think it's the first one, but literally would have the first one again, to the degree that such a thing can be called the same from moment to moment even under normal circumstances anyway.
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But if I don't do it, I'm not who I think I am.
Define 'you'.
If we’re talking about atom-by-atom reconstruction, then the question is about philosophical zombies.
I don’t put much stock in any philosophies that say ~~you~~ the constructed being definitely would be a zombie. But I do believe in the possibility that ~~you~~ the constructed being could be a zombie.
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ok, i'm too stupid for this picture...why are commenters implying you die when you use the transporter? it's next to the rails isn't it?
A common conundrum with science-fiction teleporters is that they're often described as breaking down, and then recreating, matter.
With a human being (or other sentient life form), this brings up the philosophical question of whether the 'recreated' you is really you? If you were taken apart in chunks, and then someone put an exact copy of you back together from those chunks, would it still be the same 'you' that was taken apart? Or would it be a new 'you', some copy or clone with all of your memories?
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It depends on how it works. The most popular form of transporter works by scanning your body down to the subatomic level, deconstructing the original body, and creating a perfect replica somewhere else. Imagine for a moment that it didn't deconstruct the original body (as seen in Star Trek: The Next Generation episode Second Chances). The original and the copy are two separate entities.
A transporter doesn't move you, it kills and reincarnates you. Unless it uses some kinda space bending wormhole tech to physically move the atoms from one spot to another, of course—then it doesn't kill you, and you're safe to pull the lever
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