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[–] Sabin10@lemmy.world 70 points 4 days ago (2 children)

If it's jot you then the question becomes, are you willing to commit suicide so a reasonable facsimile of you can save some strangers.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm willing to die to save people, so if some version of me actually gets to survive it, with there being a chance that it is me, then there's no reason for me not to do it.

[–] lazyViking@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Are you willing to die to save any people?

[–] SippyCup@feddit.nl 22 points 4 days ago (3 children)

People dumb enough to nap on a trolley trail? No. rich people? Also no.

Actually this would be faster the other way around.

Orphans with chronic diseases who, should they be saved stand a reasonable chance at a cure and a long, prosperous and happy life?

Also no.

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[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Clone myself.

Send clone through teleporter to pull lever.

360 no scope snipe the imposter clone motherfucker.

Claim credit for saving people.

[–] dmalteseknight@programming.dev 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is cloning that much faster than running to the lever? Do you also keep a cloning machin always handy on you?

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 3 points 3 days ago

The teleporter is basically a cloning machine

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 26 points 3 days ago

Doesn't it depend if the teleporter open a up a wormhole or used replication?

[–] malloc@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Depends if teleportation uses TCP or UDP

[–] lemsip@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And what compression algorithm are they using?

[–] conartistpanda@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

UDP teleportation sounds pretty questionable.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 19 points 3 days ago

If you teleport the people off the tracks then you can kill them all while still taking credit for saving them.

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are there any flies buzzing around?

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

No but theres billions of microbes on you

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It won't be me and, unless I have some loved one there, I'm not thoughtlessly jumping into suicide.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 35 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

If it's a wormhole or Niven-style teleporter, it's unarguably you coming through the process. Star Trek... I'll grant that the conversation gets a little more complicated.

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[–] ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 days ago (16 children)

I think teleportation is a really interesting philosophical question. If life is deterministic and there is no soul, then there should be no problem with teleportation. From a deterministic atheist perspective it should not be a problem, I wouldn't teleport myself though 😅

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I think it's mostly a semantic argument: nothing is being "teleported", it's a copy. That copy will surely be a perfect copy of me at time T, and after T we'll drift and become different folks, but a copy of me is not me, and if you punch the copy it doesn't hurt me. SOMA showcases it pretty well! Anything else cannot even be conceived, right? And even if matter could be "transported" FTL into a different place, wouldn't the "zipping" process destroy me? The silver cord would be cut, and even if the person on the other side wakes up feeling like me, I would already be gone. It's consciousness and the vessel for consciousness, not one or the other.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

This is the same reason I feel like peoples ideas of being “uploaded to the Matrix” are just as flawed. All of the same talking points but with a digital output. Being uploaded means death because my consciousness will cease to exist and simply be emulated by a computer after.

The only one who gain the benefit of me uploading is everyone but myself.

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You’ve shed and replaced every atom that you were made of when you were born and many times over since then, are you still that same entity?

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Yeah, but you didn't shed them all at once. If the ship of Theseus exploded, and then they built a new one, the question wouldn't be, "Which is the true ship of Theseus?" it would be, "Hey, did you guys see Theseus' new ship?"

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[–] SupremeDonut@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Trolly Problem of Thesius

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The traveling salesmans trolley problem of Theseus if you try to find out first how to get everywhere efficiently.

[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 28 points 4 days ago

Doesn't that make it even more selfless?

[–] xeekei@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Shit like this always remind me of the videogame SOMA.

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Have had that game in my library for years, maybe I need to play it

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[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 6 points 3 days ago (7 children)

That game has the best story and atmosphere I've ever seen in my life (maybe except for HL2)

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I kinda wish SOMA hit for me but I was already well-aware of the "teleportation problem" and have an established position, so instead I was frustrated at the slow pace of much of the game and annoyed that the protagonist didn't understand. It felt like "Bioshock at home".

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[–] ynthrepic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Define 'you'.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (3 children)

My concern would be less about whether it sends the original or creates a perfect copy, but more about how reliable it is. Getting Riker'd/Boimler'd would be okay, but having more than a negligible chance of any other sort of transporter accident would definitely give me pause.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago (24 children)

Define "you." An identical collection and pattern of atoms and subatomic particles? Then yes. A continuous consciousness as experienced by the "me" on the entry side of the teleporter? No.

Would I kill myself to save five lives and create one? Yes

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[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)
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[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I know how teleportation machines work and I won't be using one.

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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 15 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I tend to think what "you" are is the pattern formed by the various electrical and chemical signals in your brain and whatever other parts of your body are involved in cognition, and since patterns are ultimately information, and a completely identical copy of some information is the same information with nothing to distinguish it, that a sufficiently perfect copy of you literally is you, and as such, if the teleporter works the way fictional teleporters are generally described as working, then yes, it is you.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago (4 children)

For everyone else, yes. But the you you are now will cease to exist. Your consciousness won’t transfer.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 11 points 4 days ago (13 children)

I don't believe continuity of consciousness is actually required to maintain the identity of consciousness, is the thing. I think that, if you died, and then were brought back some how, you wouldn't have some "new" consciousness that merely think it's the first one, but literally would have the first one again, to the degree that such a thing can be called the same from moment to moment even under normal circumstances anyway.

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[–] knightmare1147@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Easiest one ever, ship of thesius here I come!

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[–] match@pawb.social 9 points 4 days ago

But if I don't do it, I'm not who I think I am.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago
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