America is not a fucking Christian Nation
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Sometimes I really wish the founding fathers were around to just say, “Yeah, we were all atheists when we did this America thing. It just wasn’t fashionable at the time. So this idea that American was founded on Christianity, is well, just bullshit”
I mean they were literally fleeing religious persecution. Why would they bake religion into what they were creating?
While they were fleeing religious persecution, they were not atheists. The original Pilgrims were Christians who believed the church of England to be beyond redemption. All of the founding fathers were raised in some Christian belief system, and more or less practiced their respective branches of Christianity.
They were certainly more open-minded in accepting beliefs that deviated from their own, but also certainly not atheist.
Eh, some were about as close to atheist as the social norms of the time would really permit. If you look at Jefferson, he made his own version of "the" bible in which he excised all the superstition. In their day, the Inquisition was still going on (ended in 1834) and making your own version of "the" bible was exactly the kind of thing that would get you declared a "heretic".
And then there is Thomas Paine...certainly being a Deist is something likely to get you in trouble with the crazy Inquisition types...as well as the Southern Baptists today...
The pilgrims weren't really fleeing religious persecution. In the UK they faced the consequences of their religion's actions after they took power during the interregum and were just the fucking worst, including banning Christmas. So they fled to the Netherlands where they were horrified to learn that religious freedom didn't give them the right to force their religious beliefs on others. So they fled religious tolerance to America where they were able to be as awful as they wanted
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In fairness a lot of the people "fleeing religious persecution" were the nutcases who thought there wasn't enough of it.
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they were literally fleeing religious persecution. Why would they bake religion into what they were creating?
Because everyone thinks their opinions are the right ones.
Someone persecuting you doesn't mean you'll go somewhere else and not persecute others who are not on your side.
the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion
-- Treaty of Tripoli, 1797
My face when I found out the US has opening prayers in the house of government:
Seperation of... What was it again? logic and reason?
Money and fools.
(We're the fools, they get the money.)
Yeah, that's the really fucked up part of all of this. Being a USian, I knew this kind of thing, though.
This Karen is just miffed that xtianity is not given maximum unwarranted special privileges: "oh, we'll allow you people who have not opted in to our chosen lifestyle to exist (for now), but at every opportunity, we'll rub your noses in it that we think our chosen lifestyle's adherents are special little snowflakes that deserve praise for their lifestyle, and use the government to do it."
Do you not? And if so help, I'm stuck on a continent filled with nutjobs
The US was founded as a secular state.. No getting around that. There were only a few devout christians in the original group of founding fathers. Most were deist. They had the recent memory of the thirty years wars where catholic and protestant armies had rampaged back and forth across Europe stealing the peoples food. Raping and burning out anyone who wouldn't convert. They did this to many who did convert. It was said at the time that they everyone kept two sets of bibles. They just hid one or the other depending on who had taken over at the time. That asshole regressive wouldn't ever be willing to admit that. Because she is too stupid to learn it.
A secular nation shouldn’t be having in house prayers from any denomination.
if we want to keep it secular, we need to make christians fear for their lives.
I would take it one step further and say they (founding fathers) were possibly even atheists, or at the extreme, very agnostic theists with the idea that IF god does exist, he doesn’t care or bother about us (which of course is deism). It would have been very unpopular back then to say god doesn’t exist, so deism was a step in that direction. Just my theory.
In some cases sure. Hamilton was very religious. He was also tolerant of other. The main consensus among the founding fathers was tolerance of differing beliefs. Something these ignorant fools today never learnt or most probably ignore.
Today's reactionaries hate the (actual) American project as much as Tories way back when did.
They hate it with every fiber of their being. All their rhetoric about "America first" and the flag-waving and the pearl-clutching over "the troops"....all performative bullshit. They hate liberal democracy, they hate the Constitution, they hate the rule of law, and they hate freedom.
Very true.
Wow just the fact that she feels emboldened enough to dribble out this poison and post it online is telling.
Who's doing anything about it? Nobody is marching on their representative's homes and offices. No letter-campaigns, we can't even be bothered to vote as a country without it turning into the apathy-olympics.
big oof
The thought path of a short-minded individual: Turban->Muslim.
I'm all for a minimum IQ to enter politics. This would probably disqualify 50% of Congress & Senate. And 100% of the cabinet.
I heard somewhere that one of the first hate crimes against Muslims following 9/11 was against a Sikh person...
IQ is a poor metric (for just about anything).
We do need to work on election reform so that our elected representatives are more representative. Getting more people to vote (turn out in the U.S. is fairly low), avoiding partizan gerrymandering, using something other than FPtP.
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And here come all the nuts feeling brazen about open christian nationalism in a budding theocracy.
LOL, she should change her name to Karen.
JFC.
Bet she doesn't even know the whitehouse holds a shill PR ramadan iftar event every year regardless of the party in power lol
Did it happen this year?
Yeah on March 28th
Tax exemptions for religion are in part to stop the majority religion from taxing minority religions out of existence.
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