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(For people who don't know, BestBuy is an electronics store that is common in the USA)

This would be in c/ActuallyInfuriating if the consumer protections weren't as good, but for now, its just a chargeback away from fixing the problem. (I hope the bank doesn't fucks me over. If they fuck with me, then this is gonna end up in Actually Infuriating). Anyways:

Two days ago, I bought a laptop on BestBuy, but they didn't use UPS like they had in the past, instead they used Doordash 🤦‍♂️. When I saw that, I wanted to cancel because I didn't trust fucking Doordash, but it didn't let me cancel, so I just hoped nothing bad happens.

Oh wow, my gut feeling about Doordash actually predicted the future.

So, today it was supppsed to be delivered, I saw the guy park in front of my house for a few minutes (I know that's him because I saw him on the map on the Doordash tracking link), dude walked out, looked my house, went back into his car, drove to the back alleyway (its a neighborhood of single family row-houses), I saw him on my CCTV cameras, he place down the package at a neighbor's back door, take a pickture, then grabbed it place it back in his car, then quickly drove away.

Bruh.

Now I have to make some phonecalls. Thanks, corporate, great fucking job. I hope the CEO of bestbuy can choke on his pay increase.

And if you are wonder why I didn't just go to BestBuy, I live in a car-centric city and I don't have easy access to a car, and carrying big electronics in public transit is just asking for someone to mug you.

At this point, corporations are just in a race to see who gets to be crowned the worst corporation. I mean I hate Amazon and Bezos too, but at least they have a PIN verification system now, so drivers can't just steal stuff, wtf is BestBuy doing? Fuck these shitty corporation.

I wish I could show you the camera footage, but don't wanna get doxed.

Probably not using ~~best~WorstBuy again, not with this bullshit "Doordash" delivery. What an actual disaster.


Btw I tried calling bestbuy, they had a fucking voice-bot thing that refused to let me talk to a human until 48 hours has passed. So I just go straight for the dispute, right? I don't wanna wait 48 hours.


Update: So I got through the bot thing by spamming 0 (or perhaps some other key, I can't be sure), I got to a rep and explained the situation, they said they send a request to BestBuy and BestBuy will do an "investigation" with Doordash, whatever that means, and then refund. They said it's supposed to take 3 bussiness days. Well, today is Thursday, Tomorrow is Friday, so I'm guessing by Tuesday end of the day it's supposed to be resolved?

I mean, I'm giving them 1 week. I'm definitely filing that dispute the Friday next week. Technically I have 60 days to dispute, but I'm gonna stay on the safe side and 1 week is all I'm giving. I'm really wanting to just file right now, but I'm don't want to get banned from BestBuy for life just yet, but if they don't refund within a week, I'm just gonna have to be banned from bestbuy, I guess... 🤷‍♂️

Gonna update later if y'all are still curious in a few days.

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[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just a little PSA for anyone who’s wondering, any retailer that offers you same day delivery of goods is using DoorDash or one of its clones. Apple does same day delivery and I think they use UberEats.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (14 children)

I remember like 6 years ago chatting on Reddit to some American about how the system of just leaving packages at the door is unsafe as fuck and I would never trust it with anything more expensive than a pizza.

Here there's delivery points and automats in pretty much every grocery store. So you can have shit delivered, but unless it's something massive (or delivered food), people rarely do. You just get a notification on your phone and pick up your package from the point you chose to prioritise. Sometimes it can be full and you have to pickup a package from the next point over, but they're all over the place so.

The American went on a huge rant about how porch pirates are rare as can be and how it would be beyond frustrating and a waste of time to pick up packages from your nearest grocery store.

[–] Tinks@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I agree with you to an extent, but the other American was right, they're really not as common as you might think based on internet posts. I've never once had a package stolen, and I get deliveries multiple times a week. For me, going out to pickup a delivery would be inconvenient because I work from home and don't want to have to make a 10 min trip by car just for that.

This situation is a whole other story though. That's the delivery driver straight up stealing the package. Absolutely bonkers.

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[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Would it matter in this case though? If the person delivering it was going to steal it, they would just tell you it was in the locker anyways right?

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They stole it explicitly because they thought they could get away with pretending someone else stole it from the door by photographing it by the door.. Nobody can steal it from inside a locker. It follows that they wouldn't have done it in that scenario. Also doordash basically hires everyone on planet earth. It hires some folks it doesn't even know its hired because they are obviously working on someone else's account.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Except there are cameras on porches too, so it isn't like they got away with it, but it doesn't seem to matter right? In a locker situation who is going to review thefootage, how would you go about that? Couldn't they put an empty package in there and claim someone else did it anyways?

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Never heard of this happening to anyone whereas porch pirates are literally everywhere doesn't seem reasonable

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

So I got curious, and the instances are on a different scale. Where a person gets a hold of the master key and steals ALL the packages. Which is kind of what I was alluding to: it all breaks down once the person who handles the package decides to go rogue.

Yes it is less frequent and lockers are safer of course.

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[–] insomniac@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Don’t worry about getting banned. They’ll just backlist the card you used and close your account. Easy enough to get around. Send them your video and demand they refund you while you’re on the phone with them. Use the word chargeback liberally. You’ll either get refunded quickly or fuck them, make them get dinged with a chargeback.

[–] Megamanexent@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ya, do this! Dont wait a week. Call or March in and demand a refund or you'll be placing a chrageback. Speak to a manger

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[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 176 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, dispute the charge and do it quickly. They like to pretend the window to dispute is short

[–] dan@upvote.au 113 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The standard window for a chargeback with both Visa and MasterCard is 120 days. Don't let the retailers bully you into thinking otherwise.

Usually just threatening to do a chargeback, without actually doing it, is sufficient to get them to comply. Every chargeback costs the company money (usually around $10 to $50 depending on the bank) and time (dealing with the bank, collecting evidence, etc) even if they win the dispute, so they try to resolve issues without the customer involving the bank.

They can also entirely lose the ability to process cards if they have too many chargebacks. It’s largely an issue for smaller businesses, (there’s no way Visa is going to cut off a giant retailer like BestBuy), but it’s something to keep in mind.

[–] invertedspear@lemmy.zip 69 points 3 days ago

When I worked for a bank call center the first question before initiating the dispute/chargeback process is “did you attempt to resolve this with the merchant first?” It is a requirement for doing the dispute. OP needs to clearly say yes, and they prevent it by not letting me speak to a human.

OP should also file a police report immediately. They won’t care, but at least the store can’t accuse OP of not following properof procedures.

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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 125 points 4 days ago (2 children)

If you used a credit card you can just chargeback. I'm sure the video is more than enough evidence. Best buy will be out a laptop and the money for it so it's their problem from there.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 87 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Still an ugly pain in the ass for the person who wanted to exchange currency for goods and/or services.

I do find it amusing that Doordash itself seems so blaise about this misuse of their services. Like, what an amazing racket. Get paid by one of the biggest retailers in the country to not-pay drivers so they can not-deliver expensive hardware.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

All of the formerly food delivery apps are like that. I hate it. And if you don't get your stuff often enough or if the restaurant gets your order wrong too often they'll tell you that you're not allowed to get your money back anymore. And if you do a chargeback they won't let you order until you pay them.

And that's fine with me because I stopped using them a few years ago except once in a very great while. But I feel sorry for the people who rely on food delivery because they're disabled or have time constraints due to working half a dozen jobs to make ends meet. I've got a buddy who can't use Uber eats anymore because of this. He's taking care of two kids and holding down a job that has him working far more than he should and he has no executive function and very little time left over.

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[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Also file a police report and let the police identify the thief from video. Then they will get to deal with doordash.

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[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 79 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I ordered a laptop from BB for an executive at work, they tried delivering it on a Saturday and texted me about it, offered to deliver elsewhere instead, so I'm like, sure bring it to my house. Then when they get there, it's a third party delivery service (not Doordash but like it) - woman and her boyfriend - hat out looking for a tip. Umm I didn't ASK for some weird tip-based delivery service, I thought they were UPSing that shit. I can't put tips on my corporate card, for laptop delivery fees?! So I looked like the asshole after they booked it across town. Haven't ordered from Best Buy again, what a terrible customer experience.

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[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 86 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You should ask Best Buy why a signature was not required

[–] dan@upvote.au 37 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Even if there was a signature required, the driver could just forge it.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 47 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Some services now send a one-time code to the customers that they have to give to the delivery guy to confirm the item as received instead of a signature.

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[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

then you gain the extra potential illegal action due to forgery. so its a game of risk management for the drivers.

[–] ThisIsFineDotJpeg@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 days ago (2 children)

then you gain the extra potential illegal action due to forgery. so its a game of risk management for the drivers.

I think you are overestimating how much cops actually care. Most likely, one of these companies just files an insurance claim and that's it. Maybe if the delivery person does it often they'll get fired, but I haven't seen anyone actually going to prison.

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[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I used to do Postmates, and I used to get these kinds of deliveries. I’m not trying to defend BestBuy or DoorDash. This is entirely on the driver. I never even thought about stealing people’s expensive electronics, and I would text or call the customer to ask where they wanted me to leave the package.

I would send the evidence to the police & file criminal charges against the driver.

Still, you should hassle the corpos, but don’t forget that the driver is the real criminal here.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I’m not trying to defend BestBuy or DoorDash. This is entirely on the driver.

You are defending Best Buy in the very next sentence.

DoorDash is designed to deliver food, not expensive electronics. You can bet that if somebody designed a delivery service for electronics, they wouldn't make it this easy to steal shit. If the driver decides to take your food and eat it themselves, you're out...what? $25-35? A $700+ laptop is a whole other level.

[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Toyota didn’t start out making cars. Does that mean they shouldn’t have started making cars?

Yes, DoorDash got its start delivering food, but that doesn’t mean they are restricted to that permanently.

And yes, I recognize that electronics are expensive, but that’s why I said to press charges on the delivery driver. DoorDash & BestBuy didn’t steal the package, even if they are being lazy about their delivery protocol.

But…

If we have enough evidence of instances where DoorDash drivers steal with impunity… we should be able to start a class action lawsuit against DoorDash since they are basically being negligent.

[–] ThisIsFineDotJpeg@sh.itjust.works 45 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Still, you should hassle the corpos, but don’t forget that the driver is the real criminal here.

Honestly, I put 50% blame on the thief, 50% blame on Bestbuy. Theft from your fellow working class people is fucked up, but BestBuy using shady delivery services is also unacceptable.

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'd put blame on doordash as well. What's the point of a 3p delivery system if the system literally accepts anyone that applies, especially in this case

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[–] TheWilliamist@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (7 children)

No, it is on Best Buy. They could’ve shipped it via a known carrier but elected to go a cheaper route to save money. One bad egg doesn’t work when you’re a large company. Raise the price five dollars or eat the shipping costs and use UPS.

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[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

Thanks for the heads up. I have ordered things online from best buy in the past but not again if they're going to do this shit. I know they're not reading Lemmy for customer experiences but this is ridiculous and nobody should have to go through that. I think a week of "investigation" is more than generous especially if you have video of the guy stealing your shit. I would also file a police report to really add to the evidence but that's even more time out of your day and then you have to talk to the cops and explain why the felony theft (at least in my state) that you were the victim of is worth the time it takes for them to get off their asses and stop eating doughnuts for 5 minutes to collect the report. A lot of companies won't do shit without a police report. The driver is also probably going to be pissed if he gets fired over this and also knows exactly where you live, so having a police report is a good idea if he tries some shit. Not that the police will actually do anything about it, again it just adds to the paper trail.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 41 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Call the ~~bobbies~~ police and file a report, using your footage as evidence. If it's like here, they won't actually do anything, but you'll need that report to file a dispute with your bank. Best buy will likely try to write you off, but they can't really do that with a proper report backed by evidence.

Edit: sorry. Police.

[–] forrcaho@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (19 children)

Thanks for the warning. I've crossed Best Buy of my list of places to shop.

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[–] waspentalive@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I live in Sacramento, but I drive to San Jose for Central Computers or now MicroCenter to buy gear.. I buy nothing mail order, porch pirates are bad enough, but when the driver himself is the thief, that is just it.

Ironically, I never had a "porch pirate", my neighborhood is pretty chill with that, its not even a rich neighborhood, everyone here is working class. The driver, however, picked up the order from a warehouse like 2 hours away, so I'm assuming he's not from my city. I had more drivers themselves stealing shit than just random people walking. My neighbor leaves like 5 packages on their doorsteps and didn't come home til like 2 days later (idk where they went tbh, I don't really talk to them), the packages were still there. They have packages on their doorsteps like few hours at a time every week, never seen anyone steal it. Maybe because its within sight of my cameras? But like, that didn't deter that guy that stole my stuff earlier, and judging from the news, thiefs don't seem to care if there's a camera, they steal it anyways I guess my neighbood is just that good with not touching other people's stuff?

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

Napa auto parts wanted a parts deal with our company but mentioned they will deliver with doordash, so our supervisor just ignored them.

[–] dan@upvote.au 31 points 4 days ago (7 children)

A lot of companies have moved towards using Uber or Doordash for same day deliveries.

I don't like buying stuff from Amazon, but they're the only company I'd trust for same-day at the moment. They directly employ the delivery drivers (via Amazon Flex) so you don't end up with issues where Doordash and Best Buy blame each other and neither takes full responsibility.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 33 points 4 days ago (5 children)

They directly employ the delivery drivers

Amazon's legal department would definitely disagree with this gross mischaracterization of the independent contractor relationship they have with their flex "partners"

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[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 7 points 3 days ago
[–] needanke@feddit.org 6 points 3 days ago (5 children)

And if you are wonder why I didn't just go to BestBuy, I live in a car-centric city and I don't have easy access to a car, and carrying big electronics in public transit is just asking for someone to mug you.

Is that actually an issue in the US?

[–] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Given that this is a laptop we're talking about, OP is definitely over selling it. Bring a backpack, unpack the laptop box into your backpack (assuming the box is too big to fit in the backpack itself). Something bigger like a TV would be more problematic.

The main worry is that being seen with new-in-box fancy electronics makes you look like "guy with money". It's not so much that someone's gonna steal your TV on the subway, but if you can afford a new TV your wallet probably has good stuff in it. Then it's just a question of "how bad is the crime actually on this commute?". Most places it'd be fine but some rough parts of some cities I'd be worried.

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