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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 5 hours ago

Good, the neoliberal world order is destroying itself

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 39 points 18 hours ago (10 children)

If they're going to withdraw then why are they strong arming all the other nations to spending 5% GDP on defense? If they're not in NATO, who gives a fuck what they want?

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 39 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Probably because they want those 5% GDP spent for contracts with the 'murican military industrial complex.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So, they wished the increased spending to the monkey paw and got exactly what they were wishing for: countries are cancelling orders of complex US equipment all over the world, and Europe is developing a military industry to compete with them.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

that is the less undesirable outcome, but still it is depressing how primitive and fucking dumb humans are to still be bashing each others skulls in in the year 2025.

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Defending yourself is so dumb, hey? Go and whine to Pootin. Everyone else has to react to the bully, or go extinct. Pacifism has no place so long as there is ONE invader/bully left.

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think the US military complex consider that "less undesirable" than basically any other possible outcome.

... well, it may be better in their minds than an asteroid destroying Earth before they can cash-out. Maybe. I'm not sure about this one...

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[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 12 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

But that's definitely (hopefully?) not going to happen if they pull out of NATO.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Never underestimate the corruption and stupidity of European politicians. "Divide and conquer" works like a charm on most of our corrupt assholes. See the stupid opportunist fuck that the Germans elected chancellor. His (our :'( ) government is pushing for the use of the Palantir(!) software from fucking uber-Nazi-piece-of-shit Thiel in German administrations.

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[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

If you think Drumpf may be a Pootin asset, then it makes perfect sense. Spending more GDP on defense usually makes the incumbent party less popular, which may create opportunity for russia leaning candidates. Obviously, this would weaken NATO. NATO countries go along with Drumpf because they really still hold some hope that USA won't leave the fold. They are still in the Denial stage of mourning. Anyway, events in Ukraine have shown that more GDP spending on military is pretty much essential for any country within range of ruzzia.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 234 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (4 children)

Look how stupid your country is, to hand the death of NATO to Putin because you’re on his side.

Thanks for the war and death and heat, Americans.

Fuck you.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 100 points 23 hours ago (10 children)

We're pretty pissed off at ourselves right now too. I'm sorry things got this far and wish I could offer more than fear and frustration...

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[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 68 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

If the US leaves NATO, Europe would lose a lot of support.

If the US stays in NATO, they would refuse to support them anyway and could use their veto power to stop any potential action.

If they're not going to have the support of the US military either way, and the US staying in NATO could prevent the organization from taking any action at all, it may be in the best interest of Europe for the US to leave NATO so they can't cripple it from within.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 9 points 16 hours ago

NATO is a defensive alliance so the only thing a US veto would do is prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. But that wouldn't happen until the war is over, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen until Russia's economy collapses. At that point Russia won't be a threat for awhile so kick the US out, add Ukraine as a member since Ukraine would be a stronger ally than the US anyway.

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 81 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

What's next? Helping Russia in their wars? I hope it was fucking worth it to "own the libs."

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 19 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Next is Canada and Greenland, then on to Europe where I will meet big daddy Putin in the middle.

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[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago

Won’t go anywhere. But it’s a nice try.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 76 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

france was right all along

[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

Yes, but what's the point? Nobody listens to France anyway, we are irrelevant. The only way to push our ideas is if somehow the EU embrace them.

And then we've got our own issues (doing nothing climate-related, lack of financing for science, nazi ideas getting popular, etc...).

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 60 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

This took longer than I thought it would. It seemed like a priority during trump’s 1st term, then it stalled.

Given some of Putin’s comments lately, he seems increasingly restless. I wonder if this is related to that?

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 49 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

He's preparing to attack the Baltics.

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[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

For the other nations in nato it would be for the best (imo obviously). Republican usa is not a reliable ally and the other nato nations have not all come to terms with that new reality yet. If the usa quits nato, then it instantly removes all doubt and the remaining nations of NATO can immediately start work on improving the alliance, instead of being stuck in limbo for a few more years while they're hoping that the usa will somehow magically unfuck itself.

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[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 15 hours ago

The thinly veiled US exceptionalism that America is funding it. And their standard attack against other nations that they are welfare states taking advantage of USA.

Fucking assholes, if people are taking advantage of us. Then be proud we are so strong and rich that they even can.

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