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[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 41 minutes ago

Honestly, the American far-right unknowingly dismantling US global hegemony piece by piece is pretty sick

[–] Grizzlyboy@lemmy.zip 3 points 26 minutes ago (1 children)

I had so many brain dead idiots attack me over at Reddit, for claiming America would withdraw from NATO if trump won. They weren’t just Americans, but also Europeans.

[–] rammer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 minutes ago

He did hint at it during his first term. So it wasn't an unprecedented prediction. Especially when it has become obvious that the previous guard rails have come off.

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

Won’t go anywhere. But it’s a nice try.

[–] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 1 points 6 minutes ago

Can the US get invaded yet? Someone needs to bring us some freedom...

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

He's just stirring shit to get his name out there isn't he?

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 12 points 1 hour ago

Utahns generally don't like to draw attention to themselves as firebrands (e.g. Mitt Romney, Orrin Hatch), so methinks the Senator is planning to get into the 2028 presidential primary.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 21 points 2 hours ago

Does the bill include all military installation closures and those that are on European territories? For example Greenland. If MAGA wants out, then GTFO and I do not want hear any crying afterwards because that will give the Europeans every excuse not purchase US made weapons. I'm certain US MIC lobbyists will weasel their way in to tear apart the bill.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 3 points 1 hour ago

Australia really needs to close Pine Gap as well.

[–] you_are_it@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 hours ago

The press I saw from nato meet where really disturbing as in they where blatantly sucking up on him.. so maybe there was something known already. Also the Iran stunt is incredible, what is happening?

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 65 points 7 hours ago

As directed by Vladamir Putin.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 26 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Honestly, NATO might be better off without them

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

Agreed. Drumpf is Pootins "man"*on the inside. Look to him to delay and prevaricate any NATO decision, and generally try to sabotage them

  • Drumph is NOT a man. He's a cowardly little orange shit weasel.
[–] brad_troika@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Why do you think that? How would losing half the military assets and technology would benefit NATO?

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Half the military and technology assets that won't ever actually be used to help NATO under Trump.

He'll veto every action that goes against Russia... Which is what NATO was originally formed to do...

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 17 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

The US is great at spending money in the military, but it absolutely sucks at actual war.

Look how they wasted trillions in Afghanistan to surrender to the Taliban.

the US military exists solely to funnel tax payer money to military shareholders.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Actually, if you're curious, look up how many wars the US has actually outright won on their own without being part of a coalition of allies.

The answer is shockingly few.

Even their great revolution needed help from an, at the time, true superpower i.e. the French.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 7 points 1 hour ago

checked a wiki page about that.

it's frankly embarrassing how much the US military actually sucks.

likely human history most expensive military, and a complete waste of resources

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 4 points 2 hours ago

Yeah but we won the war om werewolves.

[–] Buske@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That was to funnel money, steal gold, and oil.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago

in a way, the "mission accomplished" was true

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'll grant you it's a big racket, it's corrupt, it's inefficient, but I don't think it's a skill issue.

https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE

I wouldn't consider failing to win the hearts and minds of the local populace using violence a military failure rather than a policy failure.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 7 points 3 hours ago

Ukraine showed that modern warfare is a different game than it used to.

it's s resource war, cheap drones can cause lots of damage, and it is far more costly to fight them. long range rockets, v defense systems...

and given that US have painfully expensive toys, they won't be able to hold of again a cheap enemy.

yhea, Maybe the F22 can outmanoeuvre another airplane in a dogfight, but who tf needs a dogfight? the enemy can just launch a volley of self guided missiles that costs 100x to intercept.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 50 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

They want out because it's stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

US: We want you to spend more on defence!
Europe: Ok, we will buy more, from our own companies!
US: That's not what I meant! I'm going home!

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 5 points 57 minutes ago

They want out because it’s stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

This is only happening because Drumpf is meddling with deliveries and contracts. It makes America an unreliable supplier and partner when a contract or agreement means nothing because the orange shiteweasel may change his mind tomorrow, and redirect the arms that you already paid for......

[–] frezik@midwest.social 14 points 4 hours ago

Cause and effect are a little twisted here. Trump was already undermining NATO during is first term by saying European members should spend more. They didn't agree at the time, but the Ukraine War proved that Europe really did need a more domestic MIC, and now they are.

Trump wasn't saying it in the first place because he thought it would help NATO.

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