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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 79 points 1 day ago (1 children)

france was right all along

[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago

Yes, but what's the point? Nobody listens to France anyway, we are irrelevant. The only way to push our ideas is if somehow the EU embrace them.

And then we've got our own issues (doing nothing climate-related, lack of financing for science, nazi ideas getting popular, etc...).

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This took longer than I thought it would. It seemed like a priority during trump’s 1st term, then it stalled.

Given some of Putin’s comments lately, he seems increasingly restless. I wonder if this is related to that?

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He's preparing to attack the Baltics.

[–] Eril@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I would say the rest of NATO should be able to hold against Russia for sure, especially in its current state.

I would just be worried about short-term problems because of disrupted logistics due to the US withdrawing. Or maybe that other countries would follow the US in leaving.

But in the end, that is just my guess.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Nato for sure can stand its ground even without the US. But Russia doesn't need to blitzkrieg and win huge swathes of territory in order to accomplish their goals of destabilizing the EU. Everyone saying "they're already losing in Ukraine, they wouldn't dream of opening another front" obviously hasn't studied Russian history.

I think the biggest deciding factor in whether this happens or not is actually China. Ostensibly, they wouldn't risk losing a huge market like the EU but afaik things aren't going well over there either, so if Xi wants to be the strongman Putin is desperately trying to be just in order to hold on to power, I can absolutely see them choosing Russia's side in a global conflict.

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[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Well, a Republican, so yes.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

For the other nations in nato it would be for the best (imo obviously). Republican usa is not a reliable ally and the other nato nations have not all come to terms with that new reality yet. If the usa quits nato, then it instantly removes all doubt and the remaining nations of NATO can immediately start work on improving the alliance, instead of being stuck in limbo for a few more years while they're hoping that the usa will somehow magically unfuck itself.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 4 points 21 hours ago

We already know all of that and work is already being done to improve the alliance among non-US NATO members. The US is already considered non-reliable and the only benefit of the US being a member is that it puts some doubt in the minds of adversaries long enough to build up the militaries of the non-US members.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 20 hours ago

The thinly veiled US exceptionalism that America is funding it. And their standard attack against other nations that they are welfare states taking advantage of USA.

Fucking assholes, if people are taking advantage of us. Then be proud we are so strong and rich that they even can.

Nobody cares what the State Duma has to say

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world -1 points 12 hours ago

Won’t go anywhere. But it’s a nice try.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hope, this doesn't go anywhere. NATO is frail as it is.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't know if a US less NATO would be that frail, it would absolutely shrink the alliance, but that can make it more flexible, being able to re form to Europe's new needs, rather than as an extension of the US military

[–] Damage@feddit.it 5 points 23 hours ago

What's more, we wouldn't be dragged into the US' imperialist shit anymore. Well, hopefully.

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[–] korsystems@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

Yes, please. I'm sick of my country working with these degenerates yankees

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