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[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 89 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Which language provides the most random alphabetically sorted sequence?

Data
|  N | Eng | Dut | Ger | Tur | Chi | Lex |
|----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----|
|  1 |   8 |   8 |   8 |   6 |   8 |   1 |
|  2 |  11 |   3 |   3 |   5 |   2 |  10 |
|  3 |   5 |   1 |   1 |   1 |   9 |  11 |
|  4 |   4 |  11 |  11 |   9 |   6 |  12 |
|  5 |   9 |   9 |   5 |   4 |   3 |   2 |
|  6 |   1 |  10 |   9 |   2 |   4 |   3 |
|  7 |   7 |  12 |   6 |  10 |   7 |   4 |
|  8 |   6 |   2 |   7 |  11 |  10 |   5 |
|  9 |  10 |   4 |   4 |  12 |  12 |   6 |
| 10 |   3 |   5 |  10 |   8 |  11 |   7 |
| 11 |  12 |   6 |   2 |   3 |   5 |   8 |
| 12 |   2 |   7 |  12 |   7 |   1 |   9 |

Sourced from comments in thread (English from image, Dutch from !Vinny_93@lemmy.world, German from !TJA@sh.itjust.works , Turkish from some rando, Chinese from !idealotus@lemmy.world, Lexicographical from !monogram@feddit.nl)

Plot with Correlation Scores

We will compute the pearson correlation (r-statistic) score by comparing the base number (column 1) with the corresponding language column. We will also compute the Serial correlation, by creating staggered columns that measure how close a number is in a sequence to the one before it.

Staggered Table

cat alphabetic.tab \
    | awk '{print $0"\t"prE"\t"prD"\t"prG"\t"prT"\t"prC"\t"prL;prE=$2;prD=$3;prG=$4;prT=$5;prC=$6;prL=$7}' \
    | tee alphabetic.tab.stagger

Plot Code

gnuplot -p -e '
  set xlabel "Base Sequence";
  set ylabel "Alphabetic";
  set xtics 1,1,12;
  set ytics 1,1,12;
  set title "Alphabetic Number Plot with Correlation Score";
  set rmargin 25; set key at graph 1.5,0.9;
  set size ratio 0.45;

  stats "alphabetic.tab.stagger" using 1:2 name "E";
  stats "" using 1:3 name "D";
  stats "" using 1:4 name "G";
  stats "" using 1:5 name "T";
  stats "" using 1:6 name "C";
  stats "" using 1:7 name "L";
  
  stats "" using 2:8 name "ES";
  stats "" using 3:9 name "DS";
  stats "" using 4:10 name "GS";
  stats "" using 5:11 name "TS";
  stats "" using 6:12 name "CS";
  stats "" using 7:13 name "LS";

  set label 1 sprintf("%10s  %6s  %6s", "", "Base", "Stagger") at graph 1.07,0.95;

  plot "" using 1:2 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "English", E_correlation, ES_correlation),
       "" using 1:3 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "Dutch", D_correlation, DS_correlation),
       "" using 1:4 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "German", G_correlation, GS_correlation),
       "" using 1:5 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "Turkish", T_correlation, TS_correlation),
       "" using 1:6 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "Chinese", C_correlation, CS_correlation),
       "" using 1:7 with lines lw 1 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "Lexicon", L_correlation, LS_correlation)
'

It looks like Dutch has the lowest (near 0) correlation to both the base sequence and it's own staggered sequence, with Turkish mirroring it's staggered randomness somewhat.

The least random alphabetic sequences are English and German.


Updated: Added chinese and staggered analysis.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 weeks ago

You put a lot of work into this.

Thank you for doing and sharing this

[–] null@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

This is the second comment I've seen like this from you.

Please never stop.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

c/dataisbeautiful

[–] diemartin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

I didn't expect soneone to put that much effort into it.

Thanks! This is awesome!

[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Acht, drie, een, elf, negen, tien, twaalf, twee, vier, vijf, zes, zeven.

8, 3, 1, 11, 9, 10, 12, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I don't even know 100% that this is Dutch, but Dutch so often reads and sounds like someone German who doesn't know English trying to speak English and I love the language because of it ❤️

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[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Acht, drei, eins, elf, fünf, neun, sechs, sieben, vier, zehn, zwei, zwölf

8, 3, 1, 11, 5, 9, 6, 7, 4, 10, 2, 12

[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

Ah there it is. The real language, not the one a confused toddler trying to learn German speaks

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[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I still don't understand how acht=12

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

acht=12

Gesundheit.

[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Ah no I started at one. You can transpose my list by one and set zeven as 12.

[–] vrojak@feddit.org 37 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I recently found out that javascript's .sort() function, when called without arguments on an array of numbers, converts them all to strings and sorts them alphabetically 🤡

[–] ElectricTrombone@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm a C programmer. My first time writing Javascript and ran into some sort of bug involving a === sign or something. Javascript is a silly language.

[–] diemartin@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
console.log("10"+1); // "101"
console.log("10"-1); // 9
[–] FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The epitomy of irony is a JavaScript developer insisting that some other language is "a fractal of bad design" without immediately acknowledging that JS is weird as hell.

[–] diemartin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I like Lua's design. Separate addition (x+y) and concatenation (x..y) operators ftw!

Edit: and just, like, everything else about Lua too

[–] FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I will have to look into it soon. It has a JIT compiler. I like that.

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Javascript lets you compare unlike types without extra steps using ==. If you want strict comparison where “2” isn’t 2, use === and !==. Personally, I find that easier than having to parseint or cast every damn thing or whatever c does (strtol?). That said, I have build tools set up to enforce strict comparison because I don’t trust myself or others.

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[–] donalonzo@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lexicographical clock

1 10 11 12 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You’re missing 2

1 10 11 12 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] frunch@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

2 is overrated ~~tbh~~ 2bh

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

2 is over~~rate~~8d ~~tbh~~ 2bh

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Okay, here's the challenge: Make it always tell the correct time 8:30 should point to the 8 with the little hand and the 6 with the big hand. And 8:35 shoudl point to the 7 with the big hand.

[–] late_night@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago

I both love and hate this

[–] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Was thinking the same thing. This has to be possible, within reason of course

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I could get it done with a couple stepper motors, an Arduino, probably a couple hall effect sensors.

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[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Interestingly it would be right twice a day

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd think four times: 4:20, 4:35, 7:20, 7:35

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm stupid and read the clock wrong and didn't check even a little.

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[–] AllToRuleThemOne@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks, i hate it :)

[–] TheImpressiveX@piefed.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

It's 9 o'clock somewhere!

[–] callyral@pawb.social 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Portuguese

cinco, dez, dois, doze, nove, oito, onze, quatro, seis, sete, três, um

5 10 2 12 9 8 11 4 6 7 3 1

cinco, dez, dois, doze, meia, nove, oito, onze, quatro, sete, três, um

5 10 2 12 6 9 8 11 4 7 3 1

(six can be "seis" or "meia")

[–] diemartin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

Mine is Spanish

Cinco (5), cuatro (4), diez (10), doce (12), dos (2), nueve (9),, ocho (8), once (11), seis (6), siete (7), tres (3), una (1)

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The numbers are sorted by their English spellings.

[–] astrsk@fedia.io 7 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

What?

Two, Eight, Eleven, — not gonna type it all out because it’s already wrong.

What am I missing here?

[–] HatchetHaro@pawb.social 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

"Two" is the last one. The order starts with "eight".

Think about it: on a real analogue clock, where is the smallest number and where is the largest?

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[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 8 points 2 weeks ago

I was equally confused initially, but then I looked at the clock in my house and realized that the number up top is the highest number, 12, and not 0. So the first number in the ordering is at the position of the 1 of a normal clock.

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[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

What time is it?
It's Beer O'clock!

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 3 points 2 weeks ago

I hate this so much

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

If a mechanical clock or watch was like that it would be one hell of a fascinating movement

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