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Do people actually like all of the overdesigned clutter to the point where it makes them not want to switch sites?
To me, the stripped down clarity on Lemmy is a feature. I remember back in the day when people flocked to Facebook from MySpace, in large part because they were sick of eye gouging customized pages and just wanted a simple, consistent interface. The content, not the buttons to click on it are the draw right?
"The hosts are too lazy" says the person whining about it without doing anything.
Try switching to a platform you've never used before and making a community out of nothing, or host the Lemmy instance and be forced to deal with thousands of new users daily. Lazy my ass...
If you don't like the UI, you can always download a browser extension that change the CSS of the website. However, if this is the main criticism people do to Lemmy, I would say that's not bad for a relatively new platform
The reason I used Reddit is Fun WAS because of its stripped down, bare bones style. I only wanted to read thoughts and opinions, and choose to view images/video/ads when I wanted to. This is absolutely a feature of Jerboa (and Lemmy) for me
I don't know the background of OP so this is just an opinion: I feel that modern UX have become so ubiquitous and streamlined for content consumption that users who aren't used to old-styled UIs see the lack of "sleek" design as lesser. It works doubly so that users aren't willing to venture outside of their ecosystems and will put up with anything regardless if it's detrimental to their experience.
Compare users of new reddit and the official app vs. users of old reddit and 3PA. I used 3PA because there wasn't an official app and RiF matched what I was used to. It's a similar phenomena to Apple users vs Windows/Android. People are just used to a streamlined sleek experience (which to be fair has it's merits) but to say it's superior or that the alternative is lesser is a large misstep in thinking.
It takes effort to go out of your comfort zone but it's saddening to see users mindlessly, for lack of a better terms, consume
I definitely choose my social media based on round edges and opaque tiles. Don't you? It definitely isn't for the content or discussion.
I think the more they bitch about Reddit alternatives, the more people will be reminded that there are alternatives to Reddit.
Dark grays, blues? Squared? Good. I love simplicity! Not to mention, Reddit started out like that too, and among the older wave of users old.reddit was still a favorite for that reason.
This is an actual use case for 'the customer is always right'. No matter how much you prefer the layout, there will be others that prefer something else. And if we want to attract more users, that's something that we'll need to consider.
By far the most off-putting thing about lemmy is how people think themselves too good to consider the preferences and experiences of the average user coming from reddit.
Personally, I love the clutter-free design of lemmy.world it's a good mix of looking pretty without being too empty.
That being said, this is a refreshing take after reading through some of the top comments. I wish more people were a little more level-headed like this.
Maybe there could be other instances with different themes that appeal more to the casual reddit user? I'm still not sure how the themes work when it comes to Lemmy and its instances.
"Do people actually like all of the overdesigned clutter?" Hell nah! Polar opposite here.
I absolutely hate it when sites randomly redesign to look "modern" and "hip" or whatever you want to call it. Forcefully adding flashy, colorful stuff that you can't turn off again or opt out of is a surefire way for me to dislike the site in question immediatly. Emojis, animated smileys, glitter effects, neon-colored letters, autoplay-animations, and worst of all: sound effects! Nope. Nu-uh. Get that sh*t away from me. I like my black-squared, simple layout and silent browsing experience, thank you very much.
Strange, I think Lemmy highly resembles Reddit. Maybe this user is talking about an app? Ironically, the apps are what this is about.
I'm not really sure, I think some of them might which is weird. Though I think a lot of them are just trying to find reasons to complain about Lemmy because they are addicted to reddit, don't want to make the switch and they know that if people start leaving Reddit they're going to have to switch to something else and that scares the shit out of them. So they're going to complain about Lemmy or the alternatives because they desperately don't want to lose Reddit, their source of dopamine and fulfillment.
Though I think a lot of them are just trying to find reasons to complain about Lemmy because they are addicted to reddit, don't want to make the switch and they know that if people start leaving Reddit they're going to have to switch to something else and that scares the shit out of them.
It sometimes amazes me how opposed to change people can sometimes be. Yeah sure Lemmy is different, but not radically so.
In the middle of 2010, "Due to a controversial redesign brought on by Digg, disgruntled users declared a "Quit Digg" day where they posted links to Reddit and left Digg behind to join Reddit. Reddit subsequently overtook Digg in search popularity. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Reddit
Here's what Reddit looked like on August 7, 2010
https://web.archive.org/web/20100807085503/http://www.reddit.com/
This is what Digg looked like on August 7, 2010
https://web.archive.org/web/20100807080410/http://digg.com/
Reddit's had 18 years to tweak the user interface. Lemmy's Initial release was May 5, 2019; 4 years ago. Honestly, I have no issue with Lemmy's interface, but I feel confident in saying that given another 14 years of development, Lemmy will probably not look like it does today.
Reddit still looks pretty much the same as that to me whenever I connect to it. RES probably helps though.
Coming from apollo i could agree it could look alot better but its still miles above the native reddit app.
I don’t quite understand how we cant use kbin style on the rest of lemmy. Or hexbears super nice looking theme which is a fork of lemmy.
Honestly dig it, reminds me of the early days of reddit when it was more of a community than an advertising platform. People are just looking for any little thing at this point.
TBF Lemmy UI/UX is horrible. So is Reddit's IMO, for completely different reasons, but still. It's a valid criticism, it's just also not an endorsement of Reddit.
Yeah, Lemmy is still a bit rough around the edges in a lot of ways. I hope the surge in users brings some frontend devs over.
The new apps should help a lot, but it's still a bit of a pain to use on PC. I also have issues with the feed just going wild and poping in new posts so fast I can't read anything on the web.
Lemmy needs work, but I'm not here for the design. I'm here to wrestle control away from corporations. Anyone that doesn't understand that is a bot.
Reddit's UI and performance was pretty horrible for me in the browser. That being said, I find Lemmy's UI and performance worse. 😢
They definitely need to hire a real designer and work on performance. It's pretty bad when I try to subscribe to a community on lemmy.ml from lemmy.world. It takes like minutes for me for the request to go through.
The contrast between white and lime green is pretty bad too. The design makes the app feel cheap. That matters for a lot of people.
I'm hopeful Lemmy will get better over time. 👍
Lemmy hosters don't need to use the official UI, it's just the only one that currently exists, we just need a better front end developed by someone
I also didn't like Lemmy's default UI. But even as the early wave of Reddit refugees started trickling in a couple of weeks ago, there have already been custom CSS and custom scripts made to customize Lemmy, like the one I'm using right now:
No comment about the performance though. I think Lemmy just wasn't ready when the blackouts happened. There just wasn't enough time to prepare. It's understandable that their current focus is, well, making sure that things keep running smoothly under increased load. In time, I hope Lemmy gets to optimizing their browser performance.
I've noticed my friends my age (late teens/ early 20s) say that lemmy and kbin look old. They also are new reddit users so they are probably used to the social media, ads before content approach of modern websites compare to those who enjoyed more simple site designs that were functional
Lemmy UI has a ton of issues
Simple and clean UIs are an improvement over what's now considered "modern web design" meant to manipulate your attention to particular things. It feels like the agency is taken away from the user. I am loving the fediverse for this reason and have been a fan and user of FOSS apps for over a decade because the design goals of the software match the actual use-case of the app without trying to tie you in to something else. No distractions, no advertisements, no walled gardens. Just, here's the app, here's the functionality, it's been delivered. Now use it as you see fit without an ulterior motive from the developer or their investors (or lack thereof.)
Just wait till they have to use the reddit app only. Plus if these people want to they can invest there time and run a Lemmy instance. Develop their own tools to make it look the way the want. Rather than complaining about free too hosted freely by people who care.
They had me at dark grey and blue
Eh... that is just good ol' projection mixed with damage control.
... have they seen the reddit apps?
Also color customization is definitely a post MVP thing usually. This platform is not mature
I'm pretty sure Reddit UI/UX isn't very well designed either lol. Especially new reddit.
I think it's clear that reddit employees are working overtime for damage control, and you can easily tell when they flood a comment section with their identical silly talking points, a bunch of whiny naysayers who never care about anything, except licking boot. they love to cry about UX and protests being an inconvenience, but never about censorship or the fucked up things reddit does. another thing they do is constantly bring up Musk all the time for no reason and distract from spez. seriously those comments are like a plague over there, it's insane. imagine trying to make the crashing and burning of reddit, somehow about another guy, that has nothing to do with any of it. while Twitter is just doing its thing and they don't even give a shit. tl;dr: fuck spez