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CNN data guru Harry Enten broke down the latest polling in the Democratic Party on views toward Israel and the Palestinians on Wednesday and marveled at the massive shift in attitudes, declaring he’s “rarely” seen anything like it in his many years of looking at polling data.

Enten spoke to anchor Kate Bolduan in the context of Zohran Mamdani’s sweeping victory over ex-Gov. Andrew Cuomo in New York City’s Democratic Party mayoral primary last week.

"What are we talking about here? All right, who do Democrats sympathize more with: Israelis or Palestinians? In 2017, the Democratic Party was a pro-Israeli party. Look at this. They sympathized with the Israelis by 13 points—more with the Israelis than the Palestinians. But look at this sea change. Now, Democrats sympathize more with the Palestinians by 43 points.Oh my God! That is a change in the margin of 56 points over the course of just eight years. So all of a sudden, it’s the pro-Palestinian position that actually reigns supreme in Democratic politics, not the Israeli position. And that is part of the reason why Mamdani was able to do so well in this primary, because those attacks over Israel, simply put, did not ring true for Democrats"

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[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Everyone in NYC has an opinion about the Middle East, but Mamdani got elected because he said he will only work for the 5 boros. His focus is correctly on NYC, and that’s what he campaigned on. At the end of the day that conflict is half a world away; and we’ve got shit here we have for fix.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Don't have to fix it, just not actively support it

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I doubt Israel and Palestine had that much of an effect on the New York city mayoral race. Just because this guy is Muslim they are making all these crazy assumptions. Frankly it seems a little racist at this point and super embarrassing to watch

[–] jollyroberts@jolly-piefed.jomandoa.net 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Agreed. I think Mamdani won the primary on more of a "he is not a sex pest" vibe than his views on international politics.

At least that's the impression I got based on my wife's conversations with her friends.

I voted for him too, but more because he seems like he actually wants to try to make people's lives better. I don't think he will be able to accomplish most of what he is promising, but I do think he is going to at least /try/ to improve things.

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 11 points 2 days ago

Asking someone running for mayor about international politics seems like a real "sir, this is a Wendy's" moment.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 2 days ago

Yes, committing active and rapid genocide out in the open will do that

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

“Andrew Cuomo, during the primary, attacked Mamdani as being insufficiently pro-Israel.

The most expensive primaries in US history were in 2024 where zionist supremacists/AIPAC funded DNC opponents to those insufficiently submissive to zionist first rule over America. The only successful attack campaigns were those that never mentioned Israel supremacy as an issue. Only other issues.

The Green party can win with 0 money by saying all Israel first loyalty oaths by politicians invalidate their citizenship and right to office. The DNC simply doesn't want to win. Like Chuck Schumer admission, the DNC exists to gaslight the left into being pro Israel. Fundraising is always nice, but winning is not the most pro Israel result.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Genocide will do that

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

I was kind of on Iseral's side in the beginning. 1200 dead for no reason?

Then I found out Iseral started murdering peaceful prostestors before Hamas came over. Fuck Iseral and their bullshit.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 days ago (13 children)

Even Hamas tried peaceful protests in 2017 and Israel murdered them.

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[–] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 days ago

Israel has a long and fucked up history. They're like a little ADHD fucker in the playground with the huge older brother and a father as the head school administrator. No one dare punch the little fucker in the face.

Whenever someone claims they are "gods people", you're going to have a bad time.

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[–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 214 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Committing genocide tends to turn the public against you.

And somehow that comment is antisemitic. Because the Nazis are Jewish now. I just want people to stop killing other people!

I just want people to stop killing other people!

hey, that's antisemitic! think of all the profits weapons companies could make, you're hurting them. what about their freedom?

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Me 3 years ago, somewhat ignorant: “I’m okay with sending bombs to Israel.”

Me, today: “I’m okay with ‘sending’ bombs to Israel.”

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Younger democrats...18-49....the fuck. Doing some heavy lifting with that younger phrase calling 40-50 younger 😂

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[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 88 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I mean, there wasn't an incredibly well documented, active genocide happening 8 years ago.

That has a lot of sway on public opinion.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 71 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

There was, in Palestine. In 2014, Israel murdered like 1,400 Palestinians. This is nowhere near new for Israel, it is SOP for 70 years. The difference is that social media platforms gave us a direct view that corporate media actively chooses to not show us, as you pointed to.

[–] Devadander@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Reporting almost 60,000 killed in this current war. That’s over 40x as many. Not downplaying the 1,400 but let’s not pretend this isn’t a great escalation compared to the atrocities of the past

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's been ongoing and documented for decades.

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[–] rothaine@lemmy.zip 57 points 3 days ago (14 children)

So all of a sudden

Maybe something happened that caused the shift? Hmm, what could it be?

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 32 points 3 days ago

Don't say it or you're an anti-semite. Shocking that opposing the murdering and starving of people is antisemitic.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's probably the escalation of the genocide. If Israel were to stop committing genocide and move to reconcile and take actions to prevent it in thr future I'm pretty sure most of us would be open to reevaluating our position. Plenty of us like the modern Germany after all.

A non-genocidal apartheid state is still an apartheid state.

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[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 73 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I would say that the most telling thing is that there hasn't been a similar shift among Republicsns.

Anyone who can look at what Israel has done and is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza, and increasingly in the West Bank, without being filled with horror, revulsion and pity is a monster.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What's that bullshit about Mamdani facing criticism about not being outspoken enough against antisemitism?

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Same spin on all people calling for an end of war since Netanyahu decided that being against the genocide was antisemitic.

Same shit when any individual with an even remote arabian origin needs time and again to formally condemn islamist terrorist attacks, otherwise they're instantly labeled terrorist supporters or some shit.

So be prepared to read a lot about "ambiguous position" on antisemitism because no matter what he says or does, they need to slap that label on him.

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[–] FireAtWill@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What I think is most unbelievable is that the Israelis actually think people are buying their BS excuses. They really need to take lessons from Trump who apparently can make millions believe the most ridiculous lies.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Israelis don't really care as long as people keep voting for the two parties which are in their pocket.

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