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My stance is as they say in Poland.
Not my monkeys, not my circus. I just dont care.
It doesn't affect me in the slightest, other than a minimal amount of the taxes i pay go towards treatment of their illness. Although, i find it slightly hypocritical that they are allowed to start changing gender before 18. Would seem that many other things should be allowed before 18 aswell in that case.
I can't speak as to Polish law, but kids are allowed to do quite a bit before the age of 18 in the US. Going on puberty blockers - to delay a puberty that could damn well be an irreversible scar on the psyche - is hardly an opening for a shakeup of the legal position of minors.
Not Polish, its just a Polish saying.
I'm not convinced that a kid can make that judgement. Certainly not before puberty. But that might just be my own unwavering feeling of comfort in my own sex talking.
If a doctor makes a judgement of it, then my opinion doesn't matter.
Puberty blockers aren't OTC, they're prescribed by doctors. The kid's not making the judgement so much as they're bringing up the medical issue to a professional.
I was diagnosed with depression at a fairly young age, just entering into my teens, but I only got in to see a psych to begin with because I was worried enough to self-advocate. Can't really imagine what it would be like if I was told that I was too young to understand depression and turned out on my metaphorical ass.
If they want to be as unhappy as everyone else, they are welcome
That means anyone who supports the Trans Agenda also supports calling people psychopaths without a medical confirmation. Touche, dear gangsters.
The trans agenda is not that simple. I support their right to exist. I am fully against the pipeline to trans that I've seen in schools. You are only allowed to encourage a confused teenager, if you push back at all you are fired.
They don't need pushed, or influenced, or anything other than a safe space to be themselves, and find out what that means to them. People who are atypical already have plenty of pushback from everyday society, I don't think we need to worry about making someone trans when they're not.
I have two young male children, who both prefer playing with girls to playing with boys. When we casually mentioned that some boys have vaginas and some girls have penises, they separately decided that each of them is, in fact, a boy who like to play with girls. Because that's who they are, and I doubt we could convince them otherwise.
Can't get the thoughts that this earth was made for psychopaths off my mind
This is where I fall off with liberals. "Lose the Trans talking points, they are holding the DNC back."
How about first we try losing the DNC talking points. They've been in charge this whole time and I didn't see trans people allow fascism to wash over the states while they were at the head of the government.
You arent going to win any elections catering to 1% of the total population and alienating a large part of it. I would say that is just common sense politics at this point.
Protecting the rights of individuals is not catering to 1% of the total population. Its the bare minimum in a supposed civilized democracy. You can never, ever, compromise on protecting individuals that are causing no harm to others and just trying to navigate through the world.
Do we need to showcase the trans issue? No. We need politicians that are better at navigating the media environment and can effectively strategize against the GOP propaganda machine.
If you do that first, you wouldn't have an issue with trans people. For fuck sakes make an attempt at it even and if they are capable and what I say is wrong, fine, expel the trans people from the party. Except, accept you will never be a party of values only one of opposition, so be cautious of ever trying to claim morality after that point.
In this case at this point in time it is. Progressives built their entire hosue of cards on trans and lgbtq rights and then popular opinion swung the other way and the little support they had evaporated in conjunction with their political power.
If its true their support has waned then the people in power are the exact people who deserve to be. You want to vote for dems because they wear blue not because you give a shit about principles.
I'm so glad your privy to my private thoughts. People like you are why everyone thinks progressives are fucking nutters.
What's private? Did you not suggest the DNC abandon its trans platform?
I'm talking about your statement where you randomly decided I'm basically blue maga.
Your problems not with me then. What principles do you stand for? Is it, "do what ever it takes to win" or "reason and compromise can be used to benefit all people"? Ideas that win are ideas that deserve to win. While this might not always be true its a principle you can stand by.
What the fuck are you talking about? It's 8:30 in the morning here. I haven't had enough coffee to even keep up with your golden retriever energy.
Let me try one more time, if we still arent there I dont know.
Yes, the DNC can exclude trans people from the party platform. Does it change the fact that democrat voting people overwhelmingly support trans people? Does it actually convince moderates they want a long term stake in the party?
No, probably not on both accounts. What it does do is maybe win an election here or there.
So what will happen, when the same moderates say, "time to toss trans people under the bus"? Does the base move or do these moderates get tossed?
Wouldn't it be better to stand on your principles. Principles that say all people deserve a better life and the trans community deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.
My gripe is, before this whole argument even matters the DNC needs a coherent, functional, media strategy and that does not just materialize out of no where. Start there, before lopping off your arms in attempt to be as intellectually bankrupt as the RNC.
Look bud, I think everyone deserves to live a fulfilling life with all their needs met. I however am just one person and most of the people I interact with on a day to day basis seem to be fully on the "empathy is bad" train. I don't know how to fix anything and frankly I'm too tired to care at this point.
Well. I dont think empathy is bad. Its not a principle I can abandon. I dont get to shape the world the way I want it, either. Most of us really only get small chances to tip the scales. I dont think any presidential votes I cast in the last 8 years mattered. I dont think there is a world where they could matter. Ill keep voting though, and try to tip the scale.
The world I want, the empathic world I imagine, is not a world I will most likely get to live in. So, if its a good idea and I dont give up on it, surely it can only win because its good. Whether or not I get to see it is beyond my control.
This is all lost in the weeds, though. Youre in the right place because youre thinking of ways to stop trump. That's notable. You're also considering things we can do in the immediate future. All good too. So which path actually happens or whatever, just remember, you'll course correct that one too.
Our current system is predicated upon catering to the wealthiest (0.)1% which keeps winning them elections. Abusers of power get to frame their own opposition, and so you have things like poor people being blamed for the excesses of the rich. So you have people start swearing off avocado toast they never bought in the first place instead of proper italian plumbing.
Trans-rights have never actually been an issue. Anti-trans people are the issue because they made their issue everyone elses.
Abusers deflect and redirect onto their targets so they never have to defend themselves. It isn't that trans people want to survive, it's that there's motherfuckers that don't want trans people to exist.
I support trans people's right to exist and to be able to live happy lives 🤘 ❤️ crazy how so many transphobes obsess over trans people. most of them haven't even met a trans person
Idc about them existing. It's their choice and they have their own reasons which are not my business. Bullying them just for that choice is bad btw. However I do care about their communities constantly using their powers for bad (and often illegal) purposes such as harassment of religious groups. If that stops (and it won't) then we can talk about helping them. For now they look like generic gangs and should be met with high suspicion at all times.