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Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.

https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption

Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-beef-industry-fueling-amazon-rainforest-destruction-deforestation/

https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-06-02/almost-a-billion-trees-felled-to-feed-appetite-for-brazilian-beef

If you don't have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT 🙌 🙌

Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI's crap. Those are great ideas. Also, don't drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

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[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world -2 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 35 minutes ago)

Jesus. None of this actually matters, the cargo ships dwarf the output of a continent.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

i’ve replaced beef in my diet with kangaroo for exactly this reason… it’s not the same, but it’s great in its own right and contains a load of iron. makes cutting beef out much easier

bonus: roo populations have to be managed otherwise in modern australia they tend to multiply uncontrolled and it’s a problem, so it’s either eat the meat or waste it… roo meat isn’t farmed

[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 minutes ago (1 children)

Americans are trying to ban it.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 5 minutes ago

i heard about that… it’s wild lol… and their argument is basically “it’s cute”

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 1 points 37 minutes ago (1 children)

Plus it's delicious, it either tastes exactly like white tail deer or perhaps i was scammed

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 26 minutes ago

i’ve heard it does taste like that yes, but haven’t tried myself because idk where to get venison in aus! roo is literally available in mince, diced, steaks, sausages, etc in supermarkets here :p

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I myself eat venison, moose and reindeer. Sometimes horse when it's off-season for hunting, but that's kinda janky as it's not really game, but the incentives for "farming" horses don't really exist so..

Anyway, my local butcher's has some frozen 'roo. I've had some on a pizza when drunk once, but don't really recall it that well for my BAC was kinda high. I do remember feeling a tad absurd eating a pizza with kangaroo on it while a guy rode past on a unicycle. I'm not imagining that, although I may have also been high at the time.

Anyway, my point is how'd you compare 'roo to beef in texture and taste?

I hated lamb for instance (and generally don't buy it because the morality is horrible, just had a chance to taste and didn't like). Venison, moose, reindeer, horse, all awesome. Reindeer most gamy, moose second, then venison and horse on a pretty similar level. All really lean usually.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 27 minutes ago

how'd you compare 'roo to beef in texture and taste

it’s pretty gamey, so i wouldn’t say it’s a direct replacement… i do like a roo bolognese though: adds a bunch of depth

imo roo steak is absolutely amazing though

it’s very low fat, so you have to cook it fast and not well done etc otherwise it gets really tough really quickly

oh also roo curries are incredible too!

i’ve heard that roo it pretty close to venison in taste, but haven’t tried venison so not sure

[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

What bother's me about these sorts of posts is they don't give people a consumption goal. Blindly telling everyone to consume less isn't exactly fair. Say, for example, there's person A who consumes 1 unit of red meat per month, and person B who consumes 100 units of red meat per month. If you say to everyone "consume 1 unit of red meat less per month", well, now person A consumes 0 units of red meat per month, and person B consumes 99 units of red meat per month. Is that fair? Say, you tell everyone "halve your consumption of red meat per month", well, now person A consumes 0.5 units of red meat per month, and person B consumes 50 units of red meat per month. Is that fair? Now, say, you tell everyone "you should try to eat at most 2 units of meat per month", well now person A may happily stay at 1 unit knowing that they're already below the target maximum, they may choose to decrease of their own accord, or they may feel validated to increase to 2 units of red meat per month, and person B will feel pressured to dramatically, and (importantly, imo) proportionally, reduce their consumption. Blindly saying that everyone should reduce their consumption in such an even manner disproportionately imparts blame, as there are likely those who are much more in need of reduction than others. It may even be that a very small minority of very large consumers are responsible for the majority of the overall consumption, so the "average" person may not even need to change their diet much, if at all, in order to meet a target maximum.

[–] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 points 13 minutes ago

I don't think it's necessary to compare yourself to others here. The consumption goal should just be to consume less and every effort makes a difference. If you eat red meat every day, then try every other day. If you already do that, try once a week. If you feel you can consume even less then have it as a rare treat or just cut it out entirely.

[–] markko@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

The bulk of your post is probably the reason why consumption goals aren't given - it's not going to be the same for everyone.

Anyone who only eats 1 steak per year is unlikely to see a general statement like "reduce your red meat consumption" and think "oh no, I'm eating too much red meat", because they are likely well aware of how much the average person eats compared to them.

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago

"A sustainable diet leaves room for 2 chicken breasts a week"

(Really, 2 servings of fish / poultry per week. No red meat.)

The average person outside of developing nations vastly outpaces this consumption rate.

The small, single-digit percent of the population that's vegetarian/vegan, as well as people who are experiencing food insecurity and do not have consistent access to meat are ahead of the curve from a sustainability perspective.

When 95+% of people who have the means to dictate their meal choices do not achieve the target reduction it's generally safe to say everyone who eats meat needs to cut back.

[–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

One or two meals with any meat at all per week, never any red meat at all.

[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

Save the planet! Eat Deez Nutz!

[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 27 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

You forgot number one: By far, the best thing you can do for the climate is not have children.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 19 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

Increasing the bag limit on "billionaire" to something greater than "0" would have a much more appreciable effect on the climate than a thousand families forgoing children.

[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Remove the bag limit, put a bounty on them. Anyone that murks a billionaire wins a 2000 ft^2 home (or condo, whatever) in the location of their choice, with all taxes, fees, and utilities paid for as long as they live there.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 9 points 10 hours ago

I've been the bane of chickens all my life...

[–] blue_skull@lemmy.world 30 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (17 children)

I could devote all my time to recycling, reducing carbon emissions, not driving, voting, not eating red meat, including forcing everyone i know to do the same - and the net result would be an iota of a drop in the ocean of change. i.e. nothing.

As others have said, until there is a global shift on how the world operates and the major oil companies, cruise lines, and airlines all shut down, nothing you or i can do will matter.

Edit: folks still don't get it. It's not a matter of apathy, it's pragmatism. You will never, ever convince enough people to make a significant change relative to the big consumers. You will be dealing with the people who literally pollute and consume out of spite, and/or principle, or ignorance. For every thing you do, someone's doing the opposite. We failed the planet a long time ago though lack of education and giving too many greedy people power. The world is too large and the snowball is over the hill.

The amount of fuel used by the cruise industry in about 1 minute, on average, is more fuel than you or I or any normal person would consume in their entire lifetime, by a lot. That's on the low end. They consume 500,000 to 1.5 mil gallons an hour. The average person uses maybe 20 to 50k gallons their entire lives. You'd have to convince millions and millions of people to stop driving completely for 40 years to offset that. Tens of millions probably.

Not gonna happen. That's just one industry.

Everyone's not gonna just stop flying. Or stop driving. Or stop eating meat. It's idealistic and impossible and frankly imaginary, no matter how much it may be necessary.

Why waste your time and energy doing things that will do nothing? Focus your efforts elsewhere. Policy change probably has the best chance of helping. But then I point back to the people actively and purposely thwarting any attempts at curbing consumption, and these people are billionaires etc. And at least in the USA, running the country.

[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Your edit makes me wish I could downvote this again. Your flawed logic can be used to excuse a number of ridiculous and fucked up shit. “Folks just don’t get it.” Fuck off with that bullshit.

It’s not apathy it’s pragmatism? But then you rant about how nothing matters.

Better to spend time and energy elsewhere? So you spend time and energy convincing others to be as apathetic and weak as you. So weak you needed to desperately justify your apathy to yourself and to others by editing your comment.

Don’t wanna eat less meat? Go for it dawg. Eat it up. Don’t give a fuck about deforestation? The fucked up conditions animals are raised in? The pollution and everything that comes with it? Just because cruises are wasteful? You do you, big dawg.

But to tell everyone else to not give a fuck either is just some absurd fucked up apathetic shit. It’s not pragmatic. It’s so obvious you lie to yourself. The audacity to say “folks just don’t get it.”

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Airlines, cruise lined oil companies are not immutable forces of nature. They have grown to their current size to meet the demand of individuals like you and me who want to buy shit and go places.

If everyone stopped flying, passenger airlines would be out of business and no longer flying planes within a year or two. Same with cruise companies. Oil is used in more things but if everyone switched to EVs or stopped driving oil production would go way down- even more if we cut our plastic usage as well.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking consumers are powerless. In a free market economy they are very powerful- that's why boycotts can be so effective.

[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

Seriously. Some people here are so happy they’ve found the “perfect” justification for their apathy and inaction.

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[–] butwhyishischinabook@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago

A quarter of emissions is nothing? Yeah the overwhelming majority is attributable to major oil companies, but you're just being lazy and fatalistic. But sure, just sit there and wait for a paradigm shift to come save you from yourself I guess. Literally the first two search results I found:

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-eating-meat-bad-for-the-environment/a-63595148 https://www.c2es.org/content/regulating-transportation-sector-carbon-emissions/

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[–] poplargrove@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Mmm, close to 700 comments. Have fun yall.

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I stopped eating beef about 4 years ago. It was a great decision. I much prefer pork/poultry anyway.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I continued eating beef 4 years ago. It was also a great decision.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 46 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] imTIREDnhungryboss@lemmy.ml 17 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

or eat the wealthy is a better start

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 hours ago

I heard it would be better for our health to compost the wealthy and eat the crops that grow.

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