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[–] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 86 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Every study of UBI has been overwhelmingly positive also every study of UBI has ended without enacting UBI. They will continue to study it until they get the answer they want.

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[–] CanadaRocks@piefed.ca -5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

Who said anything about 'fuck you I got mine?'

First of all Canada already has a TON of social supports for anyone who is in need. We have Employment Insurance if you lose your job. We have Old Age Security and Canada Pension Plan for seniors. We have Child Tax Credits for parents and especially single parents. We have the GST credit to give back taxes to low income earners. We have the Canada Workers Benefit. We have the Canada Disability Benefit. We have the Assured Income for Severely Handicapped. We have disability pensions. We have Universal Pharmacare for prescription drugs. We have housing benefits/social housing programs. We have the Canadian Dental Benefit. We have student aid. There are free food banks in every city. And there are emergency funds available for things like rent/damage deposits on an emergency basis from every province through various community agencies, charities, and non-profit organizations.

So WHY do we need UBI on top of all that? If you need help in Canada, you CAN find it. Its already here.

Source: I founded a charity for street kids in one of our major cities thats been operating for 33 years. There is a TON of support out there. The fact is that a LOT of the people on the street know how to use and abuse the system and they dont WANT to get out of it because its what they grew up in and what they are accustomed to. I speak from years of experience.

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 1 points 48 minutes ago

Because, as the research found, it improves health, housing stability, and social relationships? There shouldn't be any need for charity, IMO. The patchwork of different social programs have tons of cracks for people to fall through if they don't meet all the specific requirements. I'm sure if offered guaranteed and safe housing, no strings attached, most of the people on the streets would take it, and their lives and society would be better for it.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 7 hours ago

You wouldn't get UBI "on top of all that".

You'd get it instead of all that.

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 146 points 1 day ago (45 children)

It's a crime to not have universal basic income at this point. People aren't only unable to afford basic living expenses, but they're losing jobs to automation and AI already. What are these people supposed to do? Go beg on the streets?

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 15 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Idk, I feel like landlords would just jack prices by whatever the ubi payments are. Ubi is a good idea for sure, but it's only a piece.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Controlled rent would also be fantastic and has worked in economically diffuclt times like COVID. I don't see why it wouldn't work again during the recession we are spiralling towards.

[–] stray@pawb.social 7 points 14 hours ago

Controlled rent is better than uncontrolled rent, but it suffers from the same problems as minimum wage. And why should landlords even exist? I'm not convinced private rentals should be legal at all. If you're not using a property for personal use or a place of business, why shouldn't it be seized and auctioned or rented publicly?

No, Mr Citizen, I expect you to die.

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[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 85 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Tax the rich > fund the working class and social services > economic boom. We Know.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

Funny how people hoarding all the money and preventing it from getting back into the economy are choking out the economy and crippling the country.

Who knew parasites did this to their hosts?

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But! Maybe we could not tax the rich and the money would trickle down, have you thought of that?

This calls for another study!

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[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TL;DR - The document discusses the results of a universal basic income (UBI) trial in Canada, which was conducted in Southern Ontario between 2017 and 2019. The trial, which was cancelled prematurely, showed that participants experienced improvements in mental health, housing stability, and social relationships, as well as reduced visits to hospitals and doctors. The UBI payments, which were designed to reduce poverty and encourage work, were found to have a positive impact on participants' physical and mental well-being, with many reporting decreased use of alcohol and tobacco. The trial also dispelled concerns that UBI would lead to unemployment, with only 17% of participants leaving their jobs and nearly half of those who stopped working returning to school or university to up-skill. The report suggests that UBI could be a useful public health strategy and that the safety net provided by the UBI project helped participants find better jobs with higher wages and improved working conditions. [AI Summary]

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

To be fair, if 8% exits the labour market that would have a pretty severe economic effect, no?

[–] Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I imagine it would improve wages as employers would need to properly incentivise people to return to those jobs. Probably why UBI hasn't made it past a trial yet.

Yes, but that's the textbook definition of inflation (being forced to raise wages because the salary becomes less valuable). I'm not sure if that's really the goal here.

I can understand the case for UBI, but so far most trials have been quite small in scope... that means few national effects have been properly observed.

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