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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 30 points 4 days ago

For every dollar a participant earns through employment they lose 50 cents from their basic income payment. This means the basic income proposal would only apply to individuals earning less than 34,000 CAD ($24,380) a year, or couples earning less than 48,000 CAD ($34,420).

This is not UBI.

UNIVERSAL basic income is UNIVERSAL: It doesn't matter how much you earn.

Oh, you pulled in a billion dollars last year? Here's your check for $12,000. To save us postage, we're including it in the same envelope as your $450,000,000 tax bill.

The universality of the system is the single most important component. We convey to our government(s) our political authority. They use our political authority to provide essential services, such as roads and courts and rule of law. They charge the taxpayer for those services. UBI is how they compensate us, the shareholders of our government(s) for the use of the political authority we grant them.

UBI is not a social program. It is not charity. It is the government finally paying out dividends to its citizen-shareholders.

[–] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 161 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Every study of UBI has been overwhelmingly positive also every study of UBI has ended without enacting UBI. They will continue to study it until they get the answer they want.

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[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 191 points 6 days ago (86 children)

It's a crime to not have universal basic income at this point. People aren't only unable to afford basic living expenses, but they're losing jobs to automation and AI already. What are these people supposed to do? Go beg on the streets?

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 54 points 5 days ago

No, Mr Citizen, I expect you to die.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Idk, I feel like landlords would just jack prices by whatever the ubi payments are. Ubi is a good idea for sure, but it's only a piece.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Controlled rent would also be fantastic and has worked in economically diffuclt times like COVID. I don't see why it wouldn't work again during the recession we are spiralling towards.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

City-owned housing works great here in Vienna. The City owns like somthing like 20% of all apartments and rents them out at basically non-profit rates. It works fantastically! It does not only offer lower rents, but it makes people realize that landlords often charge unnecessarily high prices and makes people demand better from landlords, so these lower their prices as well to compete with the city apartments.

Edit: for reference, i'm paying 500€/month (roughly $600/month) on rent and it's already a private-owned apartment. In the city apartments, the rent is even lower still.

[–] stray@pawb.social 17 points 5 days ago (16 children)

Controlled rent is better than uncontrolled rent, but it suffers from the same problems as minimum wage. And why should landlords even exist? I'm not convinced private rentals should be legal at all. If you're not using a property for personal use or a place of business, why shouldn't it be seized and auctioned or rented publicly?

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Explain to me why landlords didn't just jack rent payments in 1960s. Why did people back then have money left at the end of the month?

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[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 101 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Tax the rich > fund the working class and social services > economic boom. We Know.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 41 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But! Maybe we could not tax the rich and the money would trickle down, have you thought of that?

This calls for another study!

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[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 63 points 6 days ago (3 children)

TL;DR - The document discusses the results of a universal basic income (UBI) trial in Canada, which was conducted in Southern Ontario between 2017 and 2019. The trial, which was cancelled prematurely, showed that participants experienced improvements in mental health, housing stability, and social relationships, as well as reduced visits to hospitals and doctors. The UBI payments, which were designed to reduce poverty and encourage work, were found to have a positive impact on participants' physical and mental well-being, with many reporting decreased use of alcohol and tobacco. The trial also dispelled concerns that UBI would lead to unemployment, with only 17% of participants leaving their jobs and nearly half of those who stopped working returning to school or university to up-skill. The report suggests that UBI could be a useful public health strategy and that the safety net provided by the UBI project helped participants find better jobs with higher wages and improved working conditions. [AI Summary]

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