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Misandry isn't real because if you have any problems you aren't a man and don't count. (lemmy.world)
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I'm getting really sick of leftist social media like Bluesky just being about being another echo chamber and completely unaware of it because "we're the good politics!"

The sentiment that men are only men if they're associated with the right has been out in full swing for a few years now and it's just tiring.

Harris didn't win because men will never accept a woman president. Except all the men who voted for her, they don't count, the left gets told it has a problem with men all the time and deflects by saying that it's men who have the problem by going to the right and supporting them.

Never, not once, are men acknowledged for supporting leftist beliefs or voting for the party, and it's even looked down upon when they ask for acknowledgement, like it's entitlement while men on the right live rent free in the heads of the leftist base.

Men get shit on for being asked to be recognized as men on the left but that identity is freely given to men on the right, they don't have to ask to be acknowledged or recognized because they're doing what is expected by being the bad guys.

Straight men in particular, you'll be recognized as a man on the left if you're gay because it assures everyone who isn't a man you don't want anything from them.

Like for fuck's sake the right is abhorrent and shames women and LBGTQ people for their existence I don't know how the left got to this point of also saying "you're not really a man unless you hate women" and not realizing they're perpetuating the same bullshit.

Like I don't hate women for being women, but I fucking hate when people assert "all men just hate women" because it's dumb shit gender essentialism that is just dismissing anything a guy might say in response that isn't telling the speaker to go fuck themselves.

Yeah of course the right is doing better with men, they aren't shaming them for existing and only acknowledging them as being pieces of shit.

It's frustrating because there's days where I want to say fuck it and go join the other side and I think the left actually wants that more than the right does because they validate men who do it and men who stick with the left? "Yeah whatever do you want a medal?"

How about to be recognized as the gender I identify as and a human being? Apparently too much to ask when it's a man.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This post resonates with me. People dismissing it as "bait" are doing precisely the thing OP is complaining about.

[–] FreeHat@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Appreciate it

[–] considerealization@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’d like to understand why this post is being hit with downvotes and dismissal. Isn’t the point of this sub to address these kinds of issues and perspectives, confronting them if they need critique perhaps, but providing a space to talk thru and work towards an equitable liberation for all, inclusive of men?

The first rule in the sidebar is “assume good faith” but multiple comments are making (afaict) groundless accusations of bating. What gives?

To be clear, I am not saying I co-sign this post. But what I see is someone voicing hurt and a feeling of not feeling safe or recognized, while I think there is a fair bit of inaccurate generalization being made on the basis of that hurt, the hurt is valid and some of the dynamics identified I think are obviously real too.

I’m just a bit confused about whether this sub is what I took it to be, or if there is some context I’m missing or something.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

This community isn't well named. The prevailing opinion tends to be men are a problem until proven otherwise. It's not about addressing men's issues, unless those issues are how they can stop inconveniencing women.

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 1 points 1 month ago

I never heard of anyone saying that you're not a man if you don't hate women or aren't a right-wing conservative. Except for other misogynist alt-right douche nozzles who made up this twisted conception of what masculinity is all about. And these guys need to be ignored. Stop paying attention to them

I never heard anyone from "the left" say these things.

[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Feels like I'm being baited here...

As (I am) a full swing left cis het white guy, you're feeling written off because people aren't acknowledging you?

Man I'm pretty happy to apologize for the arrogance exhibited by the majority of my ilk, to be acknowledged that we aren't all like that, and to have it never be brought up again. I don't need a spotlight shone on me, my troubles are the same as most people's, except I'm not fighting to keep my rights or having my character questioned because of my nature (something that I've noticed should probably be happening more, but I'm among the privileged that are first overlooked).

You voted for Kamala, did you also vote for Obama twice? And would've a third time? Paying lip service and voting are the absolute minimums you could do, and I don't think you can say we aren't represented by the left wing when we have newsome, sanders and 50% (number from my ass) of the rest of the left wing elected officials representing cishet white guys, and those who aren't are still representing us, I've not heard 1 of them say "down with white guys".

I come from Christopher Titus 'love is evol' school, "I'm whitie and I apologize" I don't need any more help or acknowledgement than what I'm given getting to exist in this society built around people like me for me, I just want to see others share in the privilege that I've existed in my entire life.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Yeah this is obvious bait.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

inb4 trying to engage with an obvious bait post

I'm not sure what you mean by "acknowledge men". Can you expand on that?

I would agree that the left tends to pick on men, but you seem to be probing at something other than "the left picks on men while the right doesn't", and I'm not clear what that is.

[–] FreeHat@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That if a man says "hey I'm a man I don't want to be picked on I want to be accepted for who I am" the response isn't "ah ok cool sounds good we want that for everyone", it's a dismissal and assumption that being a man means you already are accepted or don't need community outside of what men are painted to be.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

First off, thanks for an honest and non-shitpost response (there's got to be a better way to phrase that but its not coming to me atm).

I don't think the problem is as severe or systemic as you're making it out to be. I think if the individual you're speaking to lashes out at the mention of you being a man, then that individual is an asshole and that's just kinda the end of it.

Can you give some concrete examples you've experienced/seen of this? I'm unfamiliar with the community rules on linking to other posts (and app doesn't let me save comments drafts to double check), but if that's allowed and you can link to examples of this (since it seems like you're referencing online interactions), I'd appreciate it.

[–] FreeHat@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I don’t think the problem is as severe or systemic as you’re making it out to be. I think if the individual you’re speaking to lashes out at the mention of you being a man, then that individual is an asshole and that’s just kinda the end of it.

I think the problem here is that there is a tendency to support your own team so to speak and oppose the other team that gets used to justify being an asshole and turns into a dogpile. Or birds of a feather flock together maybe. Either way the voices of those people get amplified and shout down anyone who disagrees.

Take the CEO of the onion dating a woman running for a position in the House of Representatives, the loudest voices were just being dismissive of the idea that that should be anyone's business or that either of them would ever do anything unethical with that relationship or that satire isn't journalism and the CEO can't have influence over anyone.

which holy shit if a politician on the right was dating the CEO of a right wing company people would be really upset, and there were plenty of people pointing this out or that the same standards should apply regardless of party and not calling for any consequences either, but then getting told that they're really just trolls who want her to not run for office because the social hivemind on the left loves to find the worst examples of people and then say that anyone who agrees with a base opinion they hold must be the same as those people.

which drives me fucking nuts because it's exactly what the right does but they do it to the left while the left does it to their own fucking base whether it be about applications of ethics or gender stuff