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Show me all these 28 year olds who refuse to work. Because I see mostly 28 year olds who want to work but can’t find jobs, and a handful who wish they could work but are disabled.
This fucking out of touch hoser needs to spend a day in the real world.
I think I figured it out. These guys are thinking of themselves when they were younger. They mooched off mommy and daddy's money after college until they were forced to get a job. They assume everyone's life is like that.
This is also the secret to how guys like Bezos start a company from a garage; they mooched off their parents, so didn't have to worry about how long it took to make any money.
Bezos took it a step further than most. Small loans of several hundred thousand dollars from his parents paired with actual fraud perpetrated against the major publishers.
I vaguely recall the fraud, but I forget the specifics. Please drop a link for more info if you have one! (Otherwise, yes, I am capable of searching the web myself.)
I see way too many 28 year olds who aren't working at one job, they're working two.
And they are still struggling to raise their kids.
This country's rulers have asked its working class to try or accept every solution except the one that those rulers are paid to pretend doesn't work; taxing the shit out of rich people.
Don't change the hypothetical.
He asked if a 28 yo who can work but refuses to should receive free health care.
I dunno about you but my answer is yes.
Plus 28yo likely doesn’t cost much on healthcare anyway.
The whole question is a distraction
They don’t want 28 year olds to work.
They want 28 year olds to works for peanuts.
It's not free. We all work to lift up the most vulnerable people in our society. I am very thankful to be an able bodied person that pays taxes. I'll never look down upon anyone that needs to use public assistance.
I'm sick and fucking tired of Republicans talking about welfare queens.
Meanwhile these assholes suck off the public teat and do nothing to give back to anyone except the donor class.
This. And when we lift people up, it generally helps get people out of poverty and become contributing members of society.
It's not a hand out, it's a hand up. And for those that dgaf about helping their neighbors, it also is generally cheaper to help people once and get them squared away, vs being screwed up for life, committing crimes and using up tax dollars on police/justice/jail/cleanup resources.
In short, literally everyone should be on the same page. It's the moral and economically right thing to do, lol.
This mindset is aggressively capitalistic...
Basically, the capitalistic mindset is: you need to earn your living and pay for everything that you get.
So when he qualifies it with "able to work but unwilling to work" ... In his mind, that's an egregious fault that puts a person into a place in his mind where they are invalid, and not worthy of anything.
This is how these fucks think. No empathy. No humanity. No "helping" anyone with anything unless they get something in return .
It's about them, and they don't want to "pay for" (via taxes) someone else's healthcare when that person did not earn it for themselves.
They're dicks. Every last fucking one of them.
Just flip the question around and think about it for a sec. Should people who can work but don't and then get sick just die? Obviously fucking not, that's insane.
Stop framing it as you might help others that take advantage of the system and frame it as helping yourself and those who might need it legitimately.
There will always be bad eggs in society. Including this representative that punishes the many for the failures of the few. You cannot have civilization without the outliers. But you can help the majority even if there are a few leeches. It says a lot about the right wing when their public face is hypocritical selfishness.
Stop framing it as you might help others that take advantage of the system and frame it as helping yourself and those who might need it legitimately.
Exactly. You know what I see when I see someone who "just doesn't want to work?" I see someone likely struggling with depression or other mental health issues. And I'm not so prideful that I believe I'm immune to those mental health struggles. I'm certainly not immune from them. None of us are. And if I fall into such a dark place in the future, I don't want to risk dying or bankruptcy just because I'm struggling with my mental health. If someone thinks they can't fall into such a dark place, they're a fool.
"Do you think that people who are 28-years-old, that can work, & refuse to work, should get free [fill in social service]?"
Sewage services
Water treatment services
Education
Innumerable benefits of scientific research
Broadcast Television
Radio
Anything available because of publicly-funded agriculture...so basically everything
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"who refuse to work" - And how many people is that? Numbers please.
If someone refuses to work, that's the problem you need to address. Not that dumb question.
who refuse to work
Minimum wage jobs that limit you to 20 hours a week.
So they legally dont have to supply you with healthcare, you know that thing you need to keep you from getting sick and help you when your sick that is for some reason tied to you being employed in the first place?
I don't 'refuse' to work. Motherfuckers like him won't even give me an interview.
And this mindset is, ladies and gentlemen, the one that improved the spreading of deadly diseases.
Free public healthcare is not only about you being healthy. It's also about you not spreading diseases to everyone you cross on the street.
This is red herring. I'm not saying the subject of health care for the unemployed is not important, but framing the question like this distract from the practice of tying health insurance to the employer, which is the real problem.
"Refuse to get a job" lol. Listen, I've dealt with my state's unemployment insurance claim website and it's awful. Anyway they're gonna implement people proving they're "not refusing to get a job" is going to be poorly thought out and half baked which will inevitably lead to people not getting healthcare.
"Refusing to get a job" folks are the same ones who kick and scream when you whisper "affirmative action" or "job security" in their ears.
These guys aren't happy unless they can buy and sell the working class at auction, then whip them into the ground to maximize ROI.
I want a healthcare system that works for everyone. I want to not have to worry that I am going to die or go massively in debt because I get sick. I HAVE insurance and these are still the things that I worry about. Unfortunately the people who are in control are bought and paid for by healthcare lobbyists
Edit: check out Rep Mike Flood's top donor industries
https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/mike-flood/summary?cid=N00050145
All the budgeting in the world did not save me from the massive bills to treat conditions I was born with. I live paycheck to paycheck because of it.
If you dont give them healthcare then congrats you've just lost a 28 year old that could have been a productive member of the workforce. Reps are so short sighted it hurts.
Even if you if you agree with the premise, it still always costs us all more in the long run when people don’t get healthcare.
We need to provide healthcare early and often. Turns out there’s a high correlation between well-fed healthy people and people who learn effectively and have the energy and aptitude to be productive later in life!
Guess people start to realise that to deny one person because of reasons, they can deny another person for any other reason. Even a developing country can have free healthcare without discrimination, US have no excuse.
When I grew up, everyone got cholera and dysentery! If people don't get it now, that's UNFAIR! Getting these diseases builds character.
If we want our kids to be SERIOUS we need to let them get cholera and dysentery. After all, both are totally natural.
I'd much rather see some of my hard earned money go towards benefiting my fellow citizens rather than like the pockets of some prick billionaire
Or a worthless ballroom attached to the Whitehouse. Multiple golf trips around the planet and genocide in the middleeast. America first just turned into filling the swamp with our money.
"The threat of actual, literal death is the only way we can coerce people into working."
Preaching to the choir here but my company just changed the insurance service they use for mental health counseling and it really drove home how beholden we are to our employers for healthcare.
Like tomorrow they could decide to switch to United Healthcare and there is literally nothing the thousands of employees can do about it. Healthcare shouldn't be tied to employment.
And while I'm on my soapbox, the system is just bad for small businesses. If you can't afford to provide it, good luck finding people who don't need insurance. And if you can, good luck getting comparable coverage for the price when you've got under 10 employees
He doesn't work and gets free healthcare.
Don't stay home during elections! Go and vote out every single Republican. Simple as that. But when you have factions within the left that can't agree with eachother, then we'll just keep losing to the right. Get your shit together people!!!
... If there are elections.
how about 28 year olds that could be owner/operator of a small business, but cant quit their job because of health insurance?
I think there are more people than there are meaningful jobs. Like, not everyone needs to be a product person.
Let's do universal basic income, make the essentials free, and let people live life. I have a friend that enjoys being around people, and would work at a coffee shop, but that doesn't pay enough for them to pay for food and housing. I've worked with people who are kind of a net negative at their org, but they're there because they need money to live. It's a bad system.
Maybe it made more sense in like 600CE when your little settlement would collapse if everyone didn't farm all day, but that's not today's world.
I saw that. It was best described as ritual humiliation. Fucking delicious.
Shouldn't matter what you or don't do, we all deserve health care... you fucking creep
These assholes really go out of their way to be dicks don't they? Health care for all means ALL