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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

So tired of this illegal bullshit. Only with this stupid president and sycophantic party in power in Congress do we have presidents just waking up one day and deciding what tariffs are going to be.

It's fucking insane.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago

Sorry but at this point I'm all "Yes, go for it!" - It will fail because it's not thought through, it will speed up his fall and rattle the already pretty shaky US admin & legal system.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Every single news organization seems to be fudging what "build in the US" means, and no one seems to dare ask Trump what he means by that. So all of these articles are ambiguous and confusing. We have to assume he means to bully companies into making their own chips in the USA, which shows that Trump has no grasp of the difficulties involved in doing that. All he will achieve is to disrupt the business of all electronics companies doing business in the USA and raise the price of their products.

Edit: US chip manufacturing seems to have increased over the last few years, with Intel making a lot of chips in the USA and TSMC making plenty of AMD chips in its Arizona fab too. So perhaps the goal of Trump's move isn't so crazy, but the implementation is so crude it will cause more problems than it solves, at least in the near future.

[–] TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There’s a reason why next to every chips are made in Taiwan and Trumps (and news outlets) seems to forget

[–] faltryka@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I genuinely don’t know, why?

[–] TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They build their manufacturing industries since the 1970, they saw an opportunity and position themselves as the « avant guards » for that problem. In short they have decades in advance from everyone. Now someone could build a factory but they will not be able to ever compete against Taiwan.

China always said that Taiwan is their, Trumps wanting to bring back chips manufacturing to the US is laughable at best 1. Doing so will need a huge influx in capital 2. Running the new factories will be impossible/cost effective (read minimal cost) as the Taiwanese do (you know regulations and such) 3. Training employees will be a fucking pain. Now since China always had eyes on Taiwan, the American faltering presence will give them the perfect opportunity to attack or soft conquer it.

In conclusion if Trumps’s bid works and chips industries happen in America = the price of computer go up for poorer products for decades to come

[–] faltryka@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Chips seem like something worth having domestic production for even if it isn’t the lowest cost.

I’m not a Trump fan but creating a domestic chip manufacturing capability seems like a good strategic boon.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

In addition to existing supply, not a replacement for existing supply.

Which the states already have but nobodies will be able to churns chips like Taiwan but Trumps seems to think that the US can which is laughable.

[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Ooo, let's look at what the box says.

Made in China
Assembled in China
Packaged in the sweet sunny California, United States 🇺🇸🦅🗽
Packaging made in India

...I'm being facetious. Point is, they will have to find a loophole, or prices will be fucked, and there's nothing in the world can move the electronics supply chain to the US during this administration (or five).

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

I’m being facetious

Not really! Or maybe just a little:
Assembled in 'murica, Fuck Yeah! - all parts - down to foam beans and cardboard - made in [one_or_several_far_eastern_countries]
And this is already pretty much the standard for companies who pride themselves on "Being American".

[–] keyhoh@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So no tariffs if built in the us, but tariffs on the building materials coming in to build the chips since America imports these? Am I getting it right that there'll be tariffs regardless? So why would a company build in the us then?

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They won't. Because tariffs are a tax on the consumer. Not like America can get advanced chips from anywhere else. Remember yall, Trump could impose a 1000% increase in all goods and his quality of life won't go down. Wealthy people don't care how expensive things get! They have so much money it doesn't matter. A gallon of milk could literally cost a million dollars and the top 1% could afford milk for every meal and to take baths in it.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I guess his thought process is that chip builder shops will just pop up everywhere because of America's entrepreneurial spirit!

[–] ebolapie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

And when they don't it'll be "oh, it's hard, folks. It's so hard to build in America. Nobody knew it was going to be this hard, but we're working on it"

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 8 points 1 day ago

Oh good, more empty "factories" built in the middle of nowhere and left to rot ....

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can I just order chips and build my own desktop?

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Build" means "build the CPU"

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't know why I thought "unless you build in the US," was meant to convey any extra information. They are just useless words to fill the air.

[–] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

“Free market”

[–] subignition@fedia.io 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nvidia would probably make him fall out a window or something over this.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My understanding is they can bribe their way out of it.

[–] ShoeThrower@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Apple already did.

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

I really hope that many companies, not American ones of course, decide that the 100% tariff is fine for Americans to pay, and create all their chips in any other country in the world for the rest of the world to use.

[–] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

So cheaper chips everywhere else?

[–] Red0ctober@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

This motherfucker...