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As a shocking move (not) the liberal government side with AirCanada patrons and forced the flight attendants union to go in legal arbitration (right word ?)

If you liked spammed your social with photo of Patricia Hadjy and PM Carney with the #UnpaidWorkWontfly

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's why we were saying pre-election, vote for a strong NDP to reign in the Liberals. And a bunch of Carney shills were throwing tantrums.

[–] dom@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Ndp had no chance.

And I'd rather have a traditional right wing party leader and centre party over an alt right lunatic.

Ndp needs to fix its shit for the next cycle.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 52 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The right to collectively bargain and strike was fought with blood. Allowing unions was the better alternative to blood. Now they seem to be forgetting that.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder who spilled that blood.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I was more thinking along the lines of boot lickers. People paid to force their own into submission.

When there is major protests and the government or the capitalists don't want to give more crumbs, they send the police, who will gleefully kettle, arrest, hit, and maim people.

My friend's parents were injured in a protest a few years ago because of the police. You have the right to protest until they ORDER you to disperse and go back home. If the movement becomes too big to ignore, it has to be crushed with the monopoly of violence instead of "caving in" and help the poorest.

EDIT: Those capitalists?

ACAB

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 57 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is probably much harder than I'm making it sound, but y'all should be giving the Liberals hell for this shit. The road to fascism is paved with liberal betrayal of the working class.

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We had to vote for the neoliberals so that the ultraconservatives did not get elected. We are not in a good place 😭

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago

We probably won't get a more moderate choice anytime soon. As long as strategic voting and first past the post are the norm.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I have to think that if they keep doing this every time there's a major strike coming, the courts are going to rule against the current labour relations laws entirely. The right to strike is in the Charter.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Conductors at CN and CP are waiting for the Supreme Court to rule on exactly this point. It's been over a year now with a four-year contract that has expired over a year ago. Carney is not labour friendly.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Wait the guy with IMF ties isnt pro worker?!?!?! S/

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good to know about the conductors!

Looks like the flight attendants are just going straight to a wildcat strike, lol.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We should walk out in solidarity.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Who's we? Reminder that a good third of the population strongly prefers the Conservatives, and another third don't care.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I am utterly gutted at Carney's leadership. He's followed the Liberal old guard's mandate the same way Trudeau did, and we're all paying the price for that.

I truly believed he would be tough enough to do the right thing and so far he's done just the opposite.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 44 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

His campaign was basically a trick. We dodged Poilievre's clueless reactionary Trumpism-lite, but got conservatism by other means. Corporate-friendly centrist liberals who don't deliver for the people will never stave off fascism for long. Canada and the UK are both in this position right now. We need electoral reform that would allow smaller parties to get a foothold and prove themselves. Under current conditions the first-past-the-post system seems to guarantee a slow drift into the jaws of the far right.

The Liberals will never give us electoral reform though, and the smaller parties are now too small to be able to force their hand. If the NDP can remember to be a left party and find a leader with broad appeal, then maybe things could be different for the election after the next one.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The true opposition does not wear convenient colors and wave flags, the opposition is the people with power and money. Our opposition is not stupid. They played us well and make it feel like our fault. Democracy doesn't matter when they only allow two choices and they control both choices.

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Recall that Jagmeet "Singh" was actually from the upper crust of Indian social structure. His actual family name is Dhaliwal.

He was never on our side.

[–] TJDetweiler@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a weird take. Family name and upbringing aside, he was the most "on our side" politician available at the time. I think his main fault was simply that he wasn't very likeable.

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hes a rich fuck who used the NDP to further his own things. Hes as much on our side as Taylor Swift or any of the Trumps.

He didnt do jack shit for Vancouver after he was parachuted into one of the safest NDP strongholds in the country and it is directly on head for losing it.

[–] TJDetweiler@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Equating Jagmeet to both Taylor Swift and the Trumps? I'm not sure I'm following you point, unless your point is simply "rich people bad".

Did you have a better candidate to cast your vote to?

It's hard to find a worse candidate than him for the riding.

Over the 7ish years he had the riding I can count on one hand the number of events he showed up to, never did candidate meetings, never raised any issues in the city in parliament. The last one being the literal baseline for being voted in.

Trudeau at least for Vancouver back the coast guard dock that Harper and Poilievre sold off to developers. Even though he then stabbed the city in the back with the oil pipelines to nowhere.

[–] Polkira@piefed.ca 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Honestly because of his leadership, my future votes will be going towards NDP or Greens. The Liberals have lost my vote forever. I voted Liberal to avoid a Conservative government and I feel like I ended up with one anyways.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I grew up in Saskatchewan during a time when almost everyone automatically voted NDP ... much of that because of Tommy Douglas' and the CCF/NDP legacy.

For years now I've mostly voted strategically, except for the rare times I've voted my choice. But this utter betrayal by the Liberals has burned that bridge.

It's NDP every time from now on.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago

Do you know why the CCF fell out of favour? Tommy Douglas had a really long tenure so he must have done well. What did him in? If you know. 😊

[–] Someone@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I voted Liberal to avoid a Conservative government

In my riding (historically strong NDP) that kind of thinking got a conservative MP elected. I'm sure similar situations played out across the country.

[–] Polkira@piefed.ca 3 points 1 day ago

NDP doesn't really campaign in my province, Liberals had the better shot here.

[–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (4 children)

At this point, the Liberals have bowed to Trump (and got nothing for it), made largely symbolic genstures to limit immigrantion blocking primary those who are paying to be here while ignoring the workers we effectively enslave with the TFW program, done nothing about housing, and has blocked unions. At this point, might have well voted for Polieve (or, you know, someone sane).

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

You forgot the nightmare surveillance bill they're ramming through.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah! It's all the liberals fault!

We get liberals in office and... Why are you not doing enough?

And when they're not in office, why aren't you doing anything?!

The two party system is just sandwiching we, the people, between two rotting pieces of shit soaked bread. No matter who "wins" the election, we, the people, always fucking lose. That's the way of things. The government doesn't represent you and I, they're there to make the lives of businesses easier. So we're going to get roflstomped either way.

I will say that one party seems to stink a whole lot less than the other.

I feel the need to point out that multiparty systems are all over and not all that different, in terms of labour rights.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nothing will change until WE the workers change it.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

All I want to say is: there's a lot more of us, than there are of them.

We have the power. We just all need to agree on a course of action.... It's that last part that I think will prove to be difficult.... The first bits of getting people to recognise that together we, in fact, hold the power... That won't be easy either, but it will be a cakewalk compared to getting everyone to agree on how to proceed and have everyone take action when required.

Herding cats comes to mind.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We still have the CBC, for one thing. Poilievre would be worse.

[–] ArachnidMania@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

CBC just got a big reduction in funding. Similar to PP promises

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 days ago

No, he was going to stop funding it entirely. Shutting it down has been his life's quest. He also has an actual affinity for Trump rather than just a strategic interest in not making him angry.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Remind me who ordered the Westjet mechanics back to work a few years ago?

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 days ago

That's very American of you, Liberals.

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 days ago

The strike started just before 1am ET Saturday. So, the Liberals are getting to work on a Saturday. Beating down workers' rights and bailing out corporations known to @$#% over taxpayers and other Canadians can't wait for a weekday like usual government business (/s)! iirc Air Canada just paid for a $500 million stock buyback 2 months ago, in June 2025. Fascism used to be called corporatism - examples like this clearly show why.

[–] rxbudian@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The flight attendants should just wait in the plane for the passengers to board..

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

They don't get paid until the plane is moving.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago

or wait til they board, and then ditch them there.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 days ago

Same old lib attitude towards workers. Not unexpected but I hoped for better.

[–] threeonefour@piefed.ca 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This sucks. Poilievre went around shaking hands with union members and it was a big part of his surge in popularity. He's absolutely not going to do anything to help them, but union members who voted Liberal might be swayed into voting Conservative. It's like how people didn't like Harris' take on Isreal-Palestine so they voted for Trump. I unfortunately think Poilievre will be replacing Carney soon enough, and for all the wrong reasons.

From what I gather from my friends in the Union they’re aware of anti-union policies of Poilievre but they’re stuck between the hammer and a hard place. Since PP « isΒ Β» the opposition leader they cannot really anger him. That fucking suck

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago

Of course they did. Fucking corporate pricks.

[–] hedge_lord@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago