still better than ios lol
Nah, /e/os and GrapheneOS rule!
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I'm an /e/os user and all I can say is even though it sucks the least among its competition, it STILL SUCKS! Not to downplay the immense effort put in by the devs and maintainers of course. Providing a privacy-respecting phone OS to ordinary people isn't just a good deed, it's necessary for a vibrant and diverse digital society. But still, we can all strive for better.
Define, "sucks"
The complaints I see about custom OS the most:
- Bank or payment apps don't work due to Play Integrity API (blame Google)
- Some other Google apps don't work correctly (well... duh)
- Obscure functionality that is usually overlooked or intentionally ignored, but is a complete dealbreaker for that user.
My banking app works on GrapheneOS. It didn't even need any of the compatibility settings to be turned. My experience has been smoother than the Android shipped with the device. I barely use Google apps apart from yt and haven't found any obscure issues yet. Is GrapheneOS just really good compared to others or did I get lucky with my bank and the features I use?
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GrapheneOS has been working flawlessly for me for years. Highly recommend!
Just one problem. Both are still dependent on Google and Android-based. How sustainable is that security model when a company has the say-so over whether you get to flash your custom firmware next year, or the next year, or maybe the year after that?
Right! just look how locked down android has become since the early/mid 2000's.
You don't even have full control of your sd card anymore (if you're lucky enough to actually have a phone with an sd slot.)
Check out crDroid. I do not know how it's like to daily drive it, but afaik it's highly customizable.
Yep, they put in a lot of effort into the security and open source stuff, but at least on Graphene, the bundled apps are severely outdated aosp apps, they don't even support material you, meanwhile current aosp apps do support it, as can be seen on Lineage. The calculator app looks straight from Android 5 or probably earlier.
I honestly couldn't care less about how the calculator app looks, and I'm sure you could find a more "modern" one on fdroid. The real problems are things like google pay not working (not a deal breaker imo, but would be nice to have)
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Tfw your Phone has no ROM and the stock one is trash.
I am currently considering switching to a 3rd custom rom on my xiaomi since both of the ones I have tried while better than the stock one by miles, seem to have no activity surrounding them (one was last updated almost 2 years ago and the one I am currently on has been updated in october).
Just sucks that its notsuch a mainline phone rhat gets lota of custom ROM support.
If it is LineageOS you can always pick up the build by yourself and create your own images you can flash. Follow the Build for yourself Link the the respective device page.
Main problem will be getting the binary blobs needed for your device as it requires a rooted device or a trusted source.
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Gabe please make Linux mobile phone.
idk I enjoy LineageOS
I want this too but I don't get how you can call something like LineageOS dogshit.
It works perfectly.
I'm a desktop user mostly but my phone feels like the more polished experience
For sure. One or two super paranoid banking apps but literally everything else works great with microg.
I've even ditched microg a few years back.
Depending on your usage it might not be an option, but for me it didn't make any difference
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Honestly I want Linux VOLTE so bad, the dream is to run sailfish os
I run SailfishOS and Australia mandates VoLTE now. It works.
Oh nice, I’m in America and stuck on Verizon for work. I really was hoping to see VOLTE hit the OP6T
But Linux for mobile exists, it is just not popular. For instance you can install Ubuntu Touch on certain phones.
This one right here, officer! They did it!
Yeah, like the Nexus 5. Not anything you'd want to actually use today.
I looked into Ubuntu Touch last week as a potential alternative to Graphene on my Pixel 9.
The most recent Pixel it supports is the 3.
So Graphene it is then...
That's still way newer than I thought. I guess they started updating it again.
Graphene so far is the slickest one.
If only Arch Linux ARM existed... ;(
I don't expect Arch Linux ARM to have wider support than Ubuntu Touch or postmarketOS.
The later 2 projects aim to support Android devices, while (based on my understanding) Arch Linux ARM mainly targets SBCs (single board computers), like Raspberry Pi.
Arch Linux ARM nowadays, probably, also serves as a base for Asahi, but this does not help with Android device compatibility.
:(
But ubuntu SUCKS.
As a Debian and NixOS user, I can confirm that Ubuntu sucks
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still better than ios lol
Yeah android has termux, termux is amazing, I run emacs in it and have all the power of org mode on my phone!
Yeah I am thinking of just don't care about phones. Just the cheapest second hand thing I can get for calls, sms, ssh, vlc.
Maps would be nice, OsmAnd crashes frequently (out of memory?) on the tablet I got second hand.
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Came here to say the same thing. I'm very happy with sailfish OS since the first jolla phone came out (10+ years). I'm certainly not a power user though.
I had a great time (save for bugs) playing with a Sailfish OS 2(?) phone way back. Glad they're still kicking.
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Phosh has a great UI, I genuinely love it -- I'm just not thrilled by my phone's battery life when running any mobile linux
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achtually, every Android phone is using the Linux kernel
achtually, every Android phone is using the Linux kernel
Yes and support for GNU/Linux applications is currently in beta.
We need custom hardware imo.
Where would you even find a phone without a locked bootloader to even try this on other than a pixel, because, a google phone, to degoogle, really ? lol!
Volla phone has unlocked bootloader and ships with android or linux, some even have nativ dualboot
Interesting you should ask. It turns out that LineageOA has an entire page giving you options of compatible devices...
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I’m only using iOS because android is worse. Neither of them make me happy. IOS is just less terrible than Android.
The problem with a Linux phone is that there’s no market for it, and developing one is only possible if you fundamentally change what a Linux phone means thereby ruining it but getting profitability and therefore carrier support and manufacturer profitability.
We don’t get what we want. They do.
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