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[โ€“] fartographer@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Such good news. I love the idea of *checks notes* specific demographics not being able to learn how the majority of my Polish family died in the '30s and '40s. Boy, I would hate for people to be informed!

[โ€“] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Specifically the judgement was that you cannot engage in political protests at these concentration camps which the accused had explicitly said they were doing.

[โ€“] fartographer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Buchenwald memorial faced criticism last month when an internal document was leaked which described the keffiyeh as "closely associated with efforts to destroy the state of Israel".

The director of the memorial, Jens-Christian Wagner, said subsequently that the document contained "mistakes" and would have to be reworked.

On the question of the keffiyeh, he told the NDR broadcaster last month that it was not per se "a forbidden symbol" at the memorial.

"However when it is used together with other symbols... to relativise Nazi crimes, then we would ask people to remove those symbols," he said.

Emphasis mine

Arguing that the keffiyeh itself represents protest is already a false equivalence to one person trying to protest. This is absolutely generalizing to alienate an entire group of people. What if they said that all Jews needed to remove their kippot? If a Jewish person is devout enough to wear a yarmulke in public, they're going to stand on the ground that asking people to remove their kippot is discriminatory.

But I take the most umbrage with that last part. To say that people can't "relativise Nazi crimes" is to deny learning from the past. It's essentially my community saying "it's only a genocide when it happens to us." We can't own genocide and we really shouldn't own the Holocaust. Just because 6 million of us were killed doesn't allow us to prevent others from making comparisons. If only Jews can learn from the Holocaust, then millions more will die when we get to use our shield as a weapon.

That last sentence is phrased poorly because that's exactly what's happening right now; I just can't think how to rephrase it right now.

[โ€“] Saleh@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

That "document" which "contained mistakes" said that the slogan "ceasefire now" is antisemitic hatespeech that would deny that Israel is merely defending itself in Gaza. At a time when most human rights organizations had reports detailling, why Israels massacres amount to genocide, with the UN showing that the "famine" is entirely man made and the deliberate use of starvation as a means of genocide.

The Buchenwald memorial organization is run by people who engage in extreme historical revisionism, exclude Jews, including the descendants of people who were victims of the Nazis in Buchenwald and by this is desecrating the memorial and supporting new atrocities.

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Regressive af imho.

[โ€“] dataprolet@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (543 children)

The court ruled it because some bonkers orthodox communist activists sued the memorial. Those activists repeatedly tried to use the memorial for their pro-Palestine activism and therefore got rejected.

The activist is part of the "Kommunistische/Organisation" which released a reader about alleged myths about the Hamas, that called October 7th "morally legitimate".

[โ€“] MouldyCat@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seems crazy at first glance that an organisation calling itself communist would blindly support a bunch of religious extremists! But it begins to make sense when you recall how the Soviet Union funded and supported the PLO as a counter to the USA's support of Israel. I suppose that's what you mean by "orthodox communist" - old school, authoritarian (the contradiction in terms is lost on them) state communists, the sort whose parents were either merrily chaining themselves to the gates of US bases if they were in the West, or gleefully reporting all their neighbours to the Stasi if they were Ossis. Come to think of it, the Russians' propaganda expertise and long standing contacts inside anti-Israel groups is also probably a large part of the reason why their current social media disinformation campaigns have been so successful and have seemingly ensnared huge chunks of European youth, hook line and sinker.

Thanks, exactly this.

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[โ€“] SebaDC@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago

So it's not about tolerance... Gotcha.

One question: do we have the right to speak German, there?

[โ€“] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

why is antisemitism on the rise?

Yeah, why would it?